Totalled my GT4 at Milwaukee Mile
08-29-2017, 07:06 AM
#46
Racer
Having just taken the FSZ1 course here, and having confirmed it many times at the ring, YES it would have helped. Alone, it might not, but the saving grace many times is your feeling of the system activating that tells you to its coming. Reaction is the only sure save.
08-29-2017, 09:36 AM
#48
Glad you're ok. Shame about the car.
I'd say it was the TC OFF which tipped the scales out of all the factors you mentioned.
The systems 'react' very quickly these days and combined with adequate driver reactions can help you in much worse situations. Like this:
Obviously there's no need to mention how the above would have ended before the runoffs were paved.
I'd say it was the TC OFF which tipped the scales out of all the factors you mentioned.
The systems 'react' very quickly these days and combined with adequate driver reactions can help you in much worse situations. Like this:
Obviously there's no need to mention how the above would have ended before the runoffs were paved.
08-29-2017, 01:38 PM
#50
@greenhorn... that is perhaps the trickiest section in all of motor racing, you don't get to appreciate those S es at the top of the hill unless you are standing there. That is some lucky save and I doubt you could have done it with no nannies.
08-29-2017, 01:53 PM
#51
Man, I wish I had some magical solution which could mitigate your loss, but you seem to be doing everything that can be reasonably done.
As someone who use to race in the dinosaur days, late 60s / early 70s, I quickly learned two valuable lessons: 1. Racing is very, very expensive, and that's why back then there were so many movie stars who competed (they had limitless amounts of money from my perspective); and 2. **** happens when racing or even at DE. I lost count of the number of crashes I had from collisions with other cars, part failures, driver errors, etc. Given that experience, I would never consider driving on a track without insurance. Bottom line is that I suspect that you have an entirely different perspective, and in the long run the cost wasn't that great, given that you weren't injured.
So as someone who has lost a lot more than you, my only advice is that after you have completed your lessons learned phase, is to never look back.
Best of luck and hopefully you'll be back on the track before too long.
As someone who use to race in the dinosaur days, late 60s / early 70s, I quickly learned two valuable lessons: 1. Racing is very, very expensive, and that's why back then there were so many movie stars who competed (they had limitless amounts of money from my perspective); and 2. **** happens when racing or even at DE. I lost count of the number of crashes I had from collisions with other cars, part failures, driver errors, etc. Given that experience, I would never consider driving on a track without insurance. Bottom line is that I suspect that you have an entirely different perspective, and in the long run the cost wasn't that great, given that you weren't injured.
So as someone who has lost a lot more than you, my only advice is that after you have completed your lessons learned phase, is to never look back.
Best of luck and hopefully you'll be back on the track before too long.
08-29-2017, 03:25 PM
#52
Glad you're ok. Shame about the car.
I'd say it was the TC OFF which tipped the scales out of all the factors you mentioned.
The systems 'react' very quickly these days and combined with adequate driver reactions can help you in much worse situations. Like this:
https://youtu.be/LChMR39VReg
Obviously there's no need to mention how the above would have ended before the runoffs were paved.
I'd say it was the TC OFF which tipped the scales out of all the factors you mentioned.
The systems 'react' very quickly these days and combined with adequate driver reactions can help you in much worse situations. Like this:
https://youtu.be/LChMR39VReg
Obviously there's no need to mention how the above would have ended before the runoffs were paved.
Clipping point was way too early on eau rouge corner I think. It was still good recovery and you had reacted fast enough or even PSM would have difficulty if you were flat out of eau rouge.
08-29-2017, 04:49 PM
#53
Rennlist Member
Too early for the part-out vultures to start circling? I need a door sill kick plate, like this one, as mine got dented from my harness belt somehow.
08-29-2017, 06:12 PM
#54
if I had paid for track insurance since 1985 I'd have 2 Cup cars, trailer & tow vehicle & summer home.(Dam 930 didn't help- cost per year was scary) . Only in the last few years has it not been included with my regular policy. Hopefully another inclusive carrier next year. Running naked for now. Car getting major investment right now. It may change my perspective.
08-29-2017, 06:39 PM
#55
To the OP - glad you are OK! That's the most important thing.
Another reason to pay cash for toys - so you aren't stuck paying for something for years to come that you no longer own! Although I imagine the full amount would be due if the car is totaled. (i.e. there is no more collateral, so the loan gets called)
I also saw recently that Hagerty Insurance is joining the HPDE/track day business.
Another reason to pay cash for toys - so you aren't stuck paying for something for years to come that you no longer own! Although I imagine the full amount would be due if the car is totaled. (i.e. there is no more collateral, so the loan gets called)
I also saw recently that Hagerty Insurance is joining the HPDE/track day business.
08-30-2017, 04:32 AM
#57
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Rotten to see a crash in a lovely car. Glad you are all ok. Have to say those barries did look inviting - bog all run off.
A lot of talk of insurance on track days - I wondered if in the US you had the option to get inclusive track days with your road policy? In the UK there are lots of policies that give you 5 - 6 track days along with your regular road insurance for not that much more. We coud have had 5 with our road policy on the GT4 for about £1200. That said (and confirmed by watching this video) our GT4 is going no where near a track other than driving me to a race weekend where I'll jump in the Caterham which costs a fraction should the worst happen.
We have track and road cover on our Elise (a £50k Cup version - fully race spec) and that with unlimited track days is about £1150 per year (albeit with limited road mileage of about 5k).
Interesting the options about getting a factory CS Chassis. I was doing an endurance race a couple of weeks ago and was sat next to a factory Enduro Spec GT4 CS on the grid. I discussed repair bills and apparently the factory have complete "bolt on" front end replacements. Not sure if this is something to investigate?
A lot of talk of insurance on track days - I wondered if in the US you had the option to get inclusive track days with your road policy? In the UK there are lots of policies that give you 5 - 6 track days along with your regular road insurance for not that much more. We coud have had 5 with our road policy on the GT4 for about £1200. That said (and confirmed by watching this video) our GT4 is going no where near a track other than driving me to a race weekend where I'll jump in the Caterham which costs a fraction should the worst happen.
We have track and road cover on our Elise (a £50k Cup version - fully race spec) and that with unlimited track days is about £1150 per year (albeit with limited road mileage of about 5k).
Interesting the options about getting a factory CS Chassis. I was doing an endurance race a couple of weeks ago and was sat next to a factory Enduro Spec GT4 CS on the grid. I discussed repair bills and apparently the factory have complete "bolt on" front end replacements. Not sure if this is something to investigate?
08-30-2017, 06:51 AM
#58
As others have said, the main thing is you're OK. You still have a lot of life to live. Its impossible to replace a life but very easy to replace a car.
Everyone I know involved in car based motorsport has had one or more significant moments. The key to how you feel is defined by how you move on - its happened, you can't change that but you can move on.
One option is to look for a specialist car shop that has a Celette jig, these are amazing pieces of gear that can get a vehicle back in to shape to better than or equivalent of OEM. Moreover, its surprising what can be done with aluminium panels (don't ask me how I know
)
One of the critical pieces of information to know and understand is the condition of the two parallel "rails" that are the "main frame" of the mid engined layout.
If you are prepared to live with some compromises you may get a better than expected resolution.
Another option is to go to a motorsport team support shop - they are used to putting these sorts of cars back together, again you may have to accept some compromises.
In terms of your moment - my view is you came in to fast, slightly off line and got the weight transfer wrong either through throttle, hands or both.
It takes a lot of maturity to post a moment and it serves as a timely reminder to all of us that enjoy track time and events. Don't let the accident put you off.
Everyone I know involved in car based motorsport has had one or more significant moments. The key to how you feel is defined by how you move on - its happened, you can't change that but you can move on.
One option is to look for a specialist car shop that has a Celette jig, these are amazing pieces of gear that can get a vehicle back in to shape to better than or equivalent of OEM. Moreover, its surprising what can be done with aluminium panels (don't ask me how I know
)One of the critical pieces of information to know and understand is the condition of the two parallel "rails" that are the "main frame" of the mid engined layout.
If you are prepared to live with some compromises you may get a better than expected resolution.
Another option is to go to a motorsport team support shop - they are used to putting these sorts of cars back together, again you may have to accept some compromises.
In terms of your moment - my view is you came in to fast, slightly off line and got the weight transfer wrong either through throttle, hands or both.
It takes a lot of maturity to post a moment and it serves as a timely reminder to all of us that enjoy track time and events. Don't let the accident put you off.
08-30-2017, 02:40 PM
#59
Three Wheelin'
Glad you're ok. Shame about the car.
I'd say it was the TC OFF which tipped the scales out of all the factors you mentioned.
The systems 'react' very quickly these days and combined with adequate driver reactions can help you in much worse situations. Like this:
https://youtu.be/LChMR39VReg
Obviously there's no need to mention how the above would have ended before the runoffs were paved.
I'd say it was the TC OFF which tipped the scales out of all the factors you mentioned.
The systems 'react' very quickly these days and combined with adequate driver reactions can help you in much worse situations. Like this:
https://youtu.be/LChMR39VReg
Obviously there's no need to mention how the above would have ended before the runoffs were paved.
08-30-2017, 06:24 PM
#60
Loss located inside a facility designed for racing, for the purpose of:
a. Competing in; or
b Practicing or preparing for any organized racing or speed contest.
I'm counting on, at least for my first incident, the universal HPDE disclaimer of :This is not a race to keep me covered.