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Crazy Eddie 01-09-2016 02:20 AM

wheel lug bolts
 
Being the picky Bastard I am, you would have thought I would have noticed that my wheel bolt lugs all seem to be scratched :rolleyes:
I was at a friends house and his wife came home and was lovin' the car and then her eyes went to the wheels and she said Humm you bolts look scratched :banghead:
Problem is I never took off my wheels ... It's as if the wheels were removed and then put back on with a standard socket ... Wouldn't Porsche or the dealer have used a nylon or protective insert to protect if they removed the wheel bolts ?
Does anyone one else suffer from this ?
Do they take the wheels bolts off for a PDI ?
Pictures to follow tomorrow
TIA
Regards
Ed
PS they are not ripped to pieces they just have scratches and blemishes on them on the outer most edges

PistolPete 01-09-2016 02:37 AM

From what I've seen, most of the plastic inserts in the lug sockets wrap around the outside of the thing to prevent scratches on the wheel surface around the bolt.

I'm not sure if a plastic surface on the inside would be able to sustain the constant torque forces when tightening the bolt.

That said, I have this socket from Amazon that has a design to not grip the edge of the bolt when tightening.


Let see the photos of how deep the scratches are. My old bolts on the Cayman all started to look like crap and rust after a few years.

Crazy Eddie 01-09-2016 03:04 AM

Thanks Pete
I see that item you posted does two things, it protects the wheel from being scratched and seems to have an aluminum socket, as to not scratch the bolt head.
I have been using for yrs an aluminum 19mm socket make for the anodized 944 lug nuts and it works ... but its not perfect ( no protective outside collar ( not really needed )
What's really weird is that these were already scratched !!! :rolleyes:
I never laid a wrench on them yet...
I will post picts tomorrow
Thanks bud

jphughan 01-09-2016 11:18 AM

Bolts get scratched. Plastic protective sheaths exist to protect the wheel finish, but I'd be surprised if they were used as standard practice even at a Porsche dealer, although this being my first Porsche I have no experience on which to base that assumption. But at least the lugs are cheap to replace if this really bothers you....

Crazy Eddie 01-09-2016 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PistolPete (Post 12911599)
From what I've seen, most of the plastic inserts in the lug sockets wrap around the outside of the thing to prevent scratches on the wheel surface around the bolt.

I'm not sure if a plastic surface on the inside would be able to sustain the constant torque forces when tightening the bolt.

That said, I have this socket from Amazon that has a design to not grip the edge of the bolt when tightening.

Amazon.com: Sunex 284319 1/2-Inch Drive 19-mm Extra Long Thin Wall Wheel Protector Impact Socket: Automotive

Let see the photos of how deep the scratches are. My old bolts on the Cayman all started to look like crap and rust after a few years.

Hey Pete
Below are some pictures They all look like these :rolleyes:


Originally Posted by jphughan (Post 12912101)
Bolts get scratched. Plastic protective sheaths exist to protect the wheel finish, but I'd be surprised if they were used as standard practice even at a Porsche dealer, although this being my first Porsche I have no experience on which to base that assumption. But at least the lugs are cheap to replace if this really bothers you....

I hear ya but at least deliver the car without the scratches ??
Remember you talking to a guy who wraps his wrenches so not to scratch the plated nuts and bolts :icon107:
I wonder if anyone else, has wheel bolts that look like these ?
What do they run for a full set ? I think a sharpie will hide most of this for a while but will wash off
Are these bolts aluminum ?

soupy 01-09-2016 09:01 PM

Mine are starting to look like that, but then I've had warranty work done where the wheels were actually taken off. Worse is even my wheel locks has some of the same wear, but it really doesn't bother me. Sharpie is the easy solution. You could also use some gun blueing solution like Birchwood Casey Super Blue as I believe the bolts are hardened steel.

ccibo72 01-09-2016 09:03 PM

Almost looks like impact wrench torque. Does the dealer use impact or hand tighten/torque?

aualexa2 01-09-2016 09:20 PM

I'd say forget about it. These are GT cars meant for the track and to be driven. Don't let the little things bother you.

Crazy Eddie 01-09-2016 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by soupy (Post 12913512)
Mine are starting to look like that, but then I've had warranty work done where the wheels were actually taken off. Worse is even my wheel locks has some of the same wear, but it really doesn't bother me. Sharpie is the easy solution. You could also use some gun blueing solution like Birthwood Casey Super Blue as I believe the bolts are hardened steel.

Thx... Sorry about your warranty work, I was following those posts :banghead:
Yea, I think they did some work on the car, after it was delivered to port, and they must have removed the wheels hence the scratches ???
So they are steel ? They must be black oxide plated ?

Originally Posted by ccibo72 (Post 12913515)
Almost looks like impact wrench torque. Does the dealer use impact or hand tighten/torque?

Impact would be my guess judging from they way these look :rolleyes:
I wonder if they remove the wheels or tighten the bolts during a PDI ?
regards
Ed

neanicu 01-09-2016 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by soupy (Post 12913512)
Mine are starting to look like that, but then I've had warranty work done where the wheels were actually taken off. Worse is even my wheel locks has some of the same wear, but it really doesn't bother me. Sharpie is the easy solution. You could also use some gun blueing solution like Birthwood Casey Super Blue as I believe the bolts are hardened steel.

I saw you're looking to sell. I suspect because of what happened to you. I hope you don't and that the car will redeem itself.
Good luck!

neanicu 01-09-2016 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by Crazy Eddie (Post 12913496)
Hey Pete Below are some pictures They all look like these :rolleyes: I hear ya but at least deliver the car without the scratches ?? Remember you talking to a guy who wraps his wrenches so not to scratch the plated nuts and bolts :icon107: I wonder if anyone else, has wheel bolts that look like these ? What do they run for a full set ? I think a sharpie will hide most of this for a while but will wash off Are these bolts aluminum ?

Didn't I tell you I'm using my fingers to take the bolts off and screw them back on?! No scratches. :rockon:

Crazy Eddie 01-09-2016 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by aualexa2 (Post 12913549)
I'd say forget about it. These are GT cars meant for the track and to be driven. Don't let the little things bother you.

LOL its the little things that get me goin' :p
but I hear ya I just think sloppy work should not be the norm ..
Coming from a bit of a neurotic;)

soupy 01-09-2016 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by neanicu (Post 12913582)
I saw you're looking to sell. I suspect because of what happened to you. I hope you don't and that the car will redeem itself.
Good luck!

We shall see. It was great driving it around today with it being pretty much perfect again. It was such a clusterf@#% of problems that all happened in a span of 2-3 weeks that nearly made me throw in the towel.

Stigs Cousin 01-10-2016 04:51 PM

Hey Ed,


It looks like impact wrench abuse to me.Steel or hard anodized aluminum will all suffer from a moron with an impact wrench running 125PSI line pressure.Sorry to see that, very annoying.
Scott

Crazy Eddie 01-10-2016 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by Stigs Cousin (Post 12915422)
Hey Ed,


It looks like impact wrench abuse to me.Steel or hard anodized aluminum will all suffer from a moron with an impact wrench running 125PSI line pressure.Sorry to see that, very annoying.
Scott

I agree poor execution by Porsche or the dealer :banghead:


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