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I disagree fairly violently!

The new car could have identical peak torque, and still feel completely different if that torque is produced higher up the rev range. Based on the numbers seen so far, I expect the new engine to have significantly more top end sparkle, which is what the original lack. It doesn't need any additional torque whatosever. It just needs a different style of power delivery. Which it looks as though it is getting.

How about disagreeing vehemently instead of violently. We really don't need more violence in the world, especially when we're discussing sports cars. :-)

ajw45

01-04-2019 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pothole (Post 15540969)

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Originally Posted by Selo (Post 15540999)

If it feels completely different, then it has a completely different character, and I agree that could be a good reason to purchase the new car. On the other hand, where do you drive your car that you are able to explore the top end so thoroughly? We have some nice mountain roads in New Mexico, and I'm pretty sure we're one of the lesser populated states in this country, but not many places where I can legally let the top end sparkle.

Yes to both! IMHO the x51 engine feels completely different and has loads more character. I picked up a bunch of hp but not a ton of torque with the X51 and the added top end is awesome. However, with the already long gearing it's hard find many places outside the track to enjoy it. I imagine it's no different with a GT3....

Dalema

01-04-2019 01:11 PM

Check out the GT4 Clubsport thread - CJ is posting some good info over there

Yellow Submarine

01-04-2019 01:17 PM

I visited my Porsche dealer this afternoon here in Belgium. The salesman is assuring me the GT4 street car will be a 4.0L and have a manual gearbox. He seemed pretty certain of himself.

isv	01-04-2019 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tcsracing1 (Post 15540405)

my cleaning lady spy in flaut says that they rather PDK this time around. That way customers can beat on them trouble free like we do in the Club sports. So that leaves me wondering What happens to the manual??
I assume it would still have to be an option for those sunday drivers who like to row gears after driving a pickup to work all week.

Porsche want the same engine in the street
car as the race car. Hence they call the street car a “GT4”. They want the success of the race car to market the street car.
If they were to give the street car a totally different engine, then they wouldnt bother calling it a “GT4”. Porsche also didnt sandbag the race car with a 3.8L only to give the street car a stroked 4.0L

What's the limited slip diff on the 718 gt4 cs now if you can say? is it still a fixed locking ratio diff or one of the fancy new electro-hydraulic variable ratio things? the old 981 gt4 cs was on a fixed diff despite the dual clutch gearbox iirc.

John Ferguson

01-04-2019 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tcsracing1 (Post 15540405)

my cleaning lady spy in flaut says that they rather PDK this time around. That way customers can beat on them trouble free like we do in the Club sports.

Thank you for that information, looks like I'll be ordering a 982 Spyder to replace 981 BGTS I ordered with PDK. Lack of a PDK option kept me away from GT4 / 981 Spyder. PDK is faster / zero overrevs … hope lizard green is available as a paint option.

Whoopsy

01-04-2019 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 997rs4.0 (Post 15540772)

For me that just moved from the US to Europe.

Most trackdays I attend and tourist drives at the Ring demands the car to be street legal. A lot of us end up buying street legal gt3, gt3rs and Gt4s and modify the cars so we end up with half a car in boxes before it handles to our liking.
Ask Manthey racing how many street cars they modify every year.
A modified gt4cs “trackday” edition would be very welcomed and would save a lot of hassle and work.

Porsche has a majority stake in Manthey, they are the quasi factory team.

All Porsche GT race cars go through them for final prep. Basically whatever they do to a car, it's 'factory' approved.

Whoopsy

01-04-2019 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ExMB (Post 15540222)

IIRC even in a street version PDK 7th gear was electronicly locked by using Sport Plus. How is that different from the CS version which is locked into Sport Plus AFAIK?

The race car isn't in 'Sport Plus' mode.

In a street car, 'Sport Plus' mode will hold lower gears until it redlines, in the preview ClubSport, it doesn't hold gears, it upshifts in partial throttles. The logic is sometimes annoying but can be fixed by moving the shift lever to manual mode and just use the paddles.

Whoopsy

01-04-2019 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Five12Free (Post 15540108)

all valid reasons why a guy who might historically have opted to buy a street car and build it for DE duty might just say f it and spend the coin on the real deal from Weissach in the form of the track day club sport. Surely that was Porsche’s intention?

That's exactly the reason why they made the 1st gen ClubSport. It wasn't built to any series in the beginning.

Then SRO realized they could build a series out of it. A cheaper race series, but then McLaren, AMG ruins it by detuning their GT3 cars to get them to the GT4 class. Porsche had to get the MR then EVO kit out, and now a gen 2 car with more HP just to stay in the game.

The rest is history.

Whoopsy

01-04-2019 02:18 PM

Barring any last minute changes again, there will be 3 more street car versions after the race car. The range topper is the one with the higher displacement.

blackholescion

01-04-2019 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Whoopsy (Post 15541597)

Barring any last minute changes again, there will be 3 more street car versions after the race car. The range topper is the one with the higher displacement.

:eek::corn:

If only RS models weren't PDK only.

bk_911

01-04-2019 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Whoopsy

Barring any last minute changes again, there will be 3 more street car versions after the race car. The range topper is the one with the higher displacement.

Spyder, GT4, GT4RS

Wow. Ok so my guess:

Spyder - 3.8L (Same as CS) 6MT 1st, then PDK
GT4 - 3.8L (Same as CS) 6MT 1st, then PDK
GT4RS - 4.0L??? PDK only $$$$$$$ 918 buyers first dibs - fat markups for regular joes.

venom51

01-04-2019 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Yellow Submarine (Post 15541428)

I visited my Porsche dealer this afternoon here in Belgium. The salesman is assuring me the GT4 street car will be a 4.0L and have a manual gearbox. He seemed pretty certain of himself.

He'd tell you his mother has a 14 inch wang if he thought you'd believe it and it would get you to buy a car. He's a salesman.

Knutsm01

01-04-2019 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Whoopsy (Post 15541597)

Barring any last minute changes again, there will be 3 more street car versions after the race car. The range topper is the one with the higher displacement.

2 in 2019 and 1 in 2020?

FazedChicken

01-04-2019 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bk_911 (Post 15541622)

Agree with most of this except I don't really think they'll add PDK later to the 3.8L cars. Is there history of them doing this for any previous models (without doing a .2 refresh like the GT3).

I hope all 3 cars are shown in 2019. Waiting until 2020 to see the RS would be painful.

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