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The only objection I have to EVs is the lack of a manual transmission. “Driving” to me requires steering, braking, accelerating, clutching and shifting (as it’s been forever). The first 3 can be done with one hand and one foot ( Or no hands and no feet if you have a self driving abomination). Literally half the body isn’t required to drive a non-manual car. There is no way I’m going to give up the most involving part of driving, because that doesn’t meet my definition of “driving.”
Call me old, outdated, stubborn, stuck in the past, or a boomer. Call me anything you want. Go ahead. I don’t care. I don’t care if your car is faster than mine or can launch while you’re sipping a latte or posting on Facebook. If that make you happy, that’s fine. Have your fun your way. But I’m not going to give up my fun or the most rewarding and enjoyable part of my driving experience.
It's true though; as much as some of us are still scratching our heads this is definitely our new reality.
And yeah I agree; it would be far more surprising to me if the mule didn't have a fake exhaust...
It's only a reality if people buy in to it. If nobody buys them, manufacturers won't keep losing money. Well, unless the government steps in and mandates it through things like coercion, threats to your job, ability to attend school, getting medical treatment, ...things like that. But they would never .......
I think people should brace themselves for Porsche to price this EV 20-30% more than the comparable 718 ICE equivalent trim. It wouldn't surprise me if the base EV was fairly close to the base Taycan price.
The only objection I have to EVs is the lack of a manual transmission. “Driving” to me requires steering, braking, accelerating, clutching and shifting (as it’s been forever). The first 3 can be done with one hand and one foot ( Or no hands and no feet if you have a self driving abomination). Literally half the body isn’t required to drive a non-manual car. There is no way I’m going to give up the most involving part of driving, because that doesn’t meet my definition of “driving.”
Call me old, outdated, stubborn, stuck in the past, or a boomer. Call me anything you want. Go ahead. I don’t care. I don’t care if your car is faster than mine or can launch while you’re sipping a latte or posting on Facebook. If that make you happy, that’s fine. Have your fun your way. But I’m not going to give up my fun or the most rewarding and enjoyable part of my driving experience.
Yeah, that's why I had to dump my 981 Cayman S with PDK for a 718 Cayman 6MT....I missed rowing gears and having my left foot involved.
I think most people who can afford these cars usually have the means to have multiple cars, so there will be a market for these as that instant torque and speed is instantly addicting.
I am more open minded when it comes to cars and just love anything that puts a smile on your face when you drive it and will soon(tomorrow) have my first EV and I am excited as hell for it...a new daily that will smoke most cars light to light and never ever pull into a gas station again to pay $5 a gallon.
I will still have my 718 when I want to rev an engine and row gears and my gas guzzling Rubicon for my off-road fun, but I have a feeling this won't be my last Tesla....
I can't wait to see what Porsche does with this platform...
I think people should brace themselves for Porsche to price this EV 20-30% more than the comparable 718 ICE equivalent trim. It wouldn't surprise me if the base EV was fairly close to the base Taycan price.
I don't know....its gonna be hard to justify if it has similar numbers to a Model 3 Performance with 3 second 0-60 times and industry leading tech can be had brand new right now for under $60K... not to mention, 300 mile range and passenger/cargo space..
They need to keep it close to that price range or have insane 2.5 second 0-60 times ....I just can't see them making a Porsche Turbo S killer though
Either way, I'm sure they will nail it and sell a shht ton of them
going to be interesting to see how Porsche prices these considering you can now get a Model 3 Performance that blast 0-60 in 3.1 seconds and handles as well as any sports sedan, if not better, for under $55K new right now...
Porsche could kill it with this car if they price it right and get it out before the competition does.
btw, I don't get all the hate from the boomers when it comes to these type of cars?
Don't worry folks, your gas cars will still be around long after you are bowling with Jesus
0 to 60 is not everything. The build quality of Teslas is less than stellar. Porsche is not interested in competing with that…
going to be interesting to see how Porsche prices these considering you can now get a Model 3 Performance that blast 0-60 in 3.1 seconds and handles as well as any sports sedan, if not better, for under $55K new right now...
Porsche could kill it with this car if they price it right and get it out before the competition does.
btw, I don't get all the hate from the boomers when it comes to these type of cars?
Don't worry folks, your gas cars will still be around long after you are bowling with Jesus
What's the skid pad numbers on a tesla model 3 performance again? The tests I've seen are similar to my car from the early 90s on 90s tires.
I don't see how a lump the weight of a truck on skinny tires built by engineers and factories 'figuring it out' handles better than a much lighter weight car built by germans who already figured it out long ago and have been improving on it since.
What's the skid pad numbers on a tesla model 3 performance again? The tests I've seen are similar to my car from the early 90s on 90s tires.
I don't see how a lump the weight of a truck on skinny tires built by engineers and factories 'figuring it out' handles better than a much lighter weight car built by germans who already figured it out long ago and have been improving on it since.
Top Gear tested the first gen Model 3 Performance a few years ago and it beat the M3 in just about every category..
lap times, 0-60, 1/4 mile and breaking.
you should check out YouTube videos or just reads some reviews on the M3P
better yet, just go drive one....I've driven a ton of fun cars, and it's one of the funnest I've ever driven....and that was just the 4 sec long range AWD version.
I am picking up my Performance version this Monday and can't fuggin wait
That F chassis M3 is a pretty lame duck though. Probably the worst M3 out there for a drivers car. That's literally the car bmw took a left turn off the middle of a bridge on their way to continuing the legacy of great drivers cars. There are definitely better german 4 door cars for performance.
A model 3 performance is unbelievably fast for straight line speed too. It claims mid to high 400s for hp but that is somewhat of a lie when comparing it to other cars. It can exit a corner 20-30kph slower than my GT4 and will need to brake way sooner for the next corner, yet will hit a higher top speed on that straight. However, I was only impressed with it's cornering ability in respect to it weighing literally over 2 tons. In that context it's great, but compared to something lighter no, it didn't wow me. I'm 100% convinced if I was driving it instead of my student and pushed that car I would have destroyed his tires within 10-20 minutes.
Also, braking distance is dependent on tires. Nothing else really factors in unless something is engineered wrong or broken. Track pads, fluid, rotors, etc are to keep things consistent not to somehow get more braking grip out of the tire. Most cars brake in roughly the same distance on the same tires. You also gotta keep in mind you get maybe 20 minutes of peak performance (maybe 10 minutes before it overheats the battery) out of a Telsa M3P too and then it starts to turn into a toyota camry.
It's a fast street car but not a sports car and definitely not a track car IMO. We know this because telsa has been yelling about everything to anyone who would listen on stuff like 0-60, autopilot, range, whatever..... but not a mention about lap times on tracks or how great it is in the backroads or whatever. They only just started to go to war on the nurburgring, but against other EV's since their lap times suck for how much power they're putting out.
I own an i3, a top power Hybrid Porsche and just gave away my MT GTS 4.0 (for its bigger and nastier sister) so I can say something about this. Electric is fun (but OMG please not Tesla, I need a car not a wheeled smartphone), but unfortunately electric is NOT going to replace ICE, not now, not in near future.
There's so many things really wrong on the timing of this that I don't know where to start.
Want to talk about the "winter factor" ?
Yeah let's talk about that, I never really read about that in so called "specialist" reviews.
How many of you do know that in winter Li-on batteries works with a 20-25% penalty performance ? (the colder, the more they eat out their charge).
Want to stay warm inside your cockpit ? add another good 5% atop on that.
That's just a start... It's not really a matter of boomers against Internet kids...
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I own an i3, a top power Hybrid Porsche and just gave away my MT GTS 4.0 (for its bigger and nastier sister) so I can say something about this. Electric is fun (but OMG please not Tesla, I need a car not a wheeled smartphone), but unfortunately electric is NOT going to replace ICE, not now, not in near future.
There's so many things really wrong on the timing of this that I don't know where to start.
Want to talk about the "winter factor" ?
Yeah let's talk about that, I never really read about that in so called "specialist" reviews.
How many of you do know that in winter Li-on batteries works with a 20-25% penalty performance ? (the colder, the more they eat out their charge).
Want to stay warm inside your cockpit ? add another good 5% atop on that.
That's just a start... It's not really a matter of boomers against Internet kids...
that's why I live in sunny SoCal....never have to worry about cold weather...although sometimes it gets dow to the low 50's
I own an i3, a top power Hybrid Porsche and just gave away my MT GTS 4.0 (for its bigger and nastier sister) so I can say something about this. Electric is fun (but OMG please not Tesla, I need a car not a wheeled smartphone), but unfortunately electric is NOT going to replace ICE, not now, not in near future.
There's so many things really wrong on the timing of this that I don't know where to start.
Want to talk about the "winter factor" ?
Yeah let's talk about that, I never really read about that in so called "specialist" reviews.
How many of you do know that in winter Li-on batteries works with a 20-25% penalty performance ? (the colder, the more they eat out their charge).
Want to stay warm inside your cockpit ? add another good 5% atop on that.
That's just a start... It's not really a matter of boomers against Internet kids...
Winter is a great topic for EV's but no one forcing these things through wants to have that discussion. I know Telsa isn't warrantying batteries that have frozen which is a factor below -30. I know of one person who had to buy a battery on thier new tesla because of that, which they instantly sold after they lost 30g on that repair. And even when the battery isn't bricking itself from freezing, they'll bleed a full charge in about a week from just sitting which is great for the pocket book. Basically if you aren't rich enough to own a heated private parking spot you don't qualify for a EV, and when everything sold becomes an EV, that means you don't qualify for vehicle ownership so enjoy walking or public transit you dirty pleb.
02-07-2023, 11:04 AM
