Speeding Ticket Questions (NY State)
01-05-2020, 10:29 AM
#46
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We're talking about when the speed amount over the limit lands the ticket into a category which will produce enough points to be a problem (I cited a ticket in Westchester which was written for the maximum allowed points, a single ticket). Or, a ticket in CT I received in 2019 which had a mandatory court appearance and was written as a misdemeanor. If it's a first ticket for 10MPH over its easier to pay it, yes. The OP referenced a +25mph over ticket in Westchester county. They go hog wild after a certain speed, which I think is 25 over. You're talking about 500-600 in fines at least and a large amount of points. Regardless if the license is out of state. If you drive in NY that's all that matters. If points were not involved of course you'd just pay it and move on.
That's before you even get to the ticket being justified or not. I've received some tickets in the 911 that were not legit. Do you still plead guilty if you don't feel the ticket is accurate?
That's before you even get to the ticket being justified or not. I've received some tickets in the 911 that were not legit. Do you still plead guilty if you don't feel the ticket is accurate?
01-05-2020, 10:38 AM
#47
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NY state, and NYC/ 5 boroughs specifically, is like no other place in the US. Which is why I moved out of NYC, but thats another story.
The tricks and rules that work and apply all over America do not apply to NY.
NJ is honestly the best place to get a ticket if you dont want points, dont want to fight and walk away fast. They are set up for the process like a machine
and process guilty verdicts like changing channels on a TV..instantly. You cannot win if you fight and the wasted time trying to fight makes it foolish to try.
You get a ticket in the NYC area and you MUST fight it. There is no penalty or benefit to not taking a shot and pleading not guilty, so you just plead NG and fight it.
Tricks: Delay and adjourn it as long as possible to postpone the trial as long as you can before the points hit your license. The time it takes to come off of your license STARTS on the date of the ticket.
So, if you get a ticket on Jan 1 2020 the points will fall off your license after 2 years (I think) on Jan 1, 2022. However, if you can delay the trial for a year, then you only have to stay clean for 12 months, for example.
If the cop retires, is injured or ill or even dies, then you will most likely prevail by his not appearing two times.
You can question the calibration of the laser or radar equipment and request dated certification documents.
You can question the cops training and ability to use said equipment.
I can go on and on but, its really a tough fight because the Judge really doesn't care what you say as the Cops word is near gospel. You need to have slam dunk proof to beat it.
The tricks and rules that work and apply all over America do not apply to NY.
NJ is honestly the best place to get a ticket if you dont want points, dont want to fight and walk away fast. They are set up for the process like a machine
and process guilty verdicts like changing channels on a TV..instantly. You cannot win if you fight and the wasted time trying to fight makes it foolish to try.
You get a ticket in the NYC area and you MUST fight it. There is no penalty or benefit to not taking a shot and pleading not guilty, so you just plead NG and fight it.
Tricks: Delay and adjourn it as long as possible to postpone the trial as long as you can before the points hit your license. The time it takes to come off of your license STARTS on the date of the ticket.
So, if you get a ticket on Jan 1 2020 the points will fall off your license after 2 years (I think) on Jan 1, 2022. However, if you can delay the trial for a year, then you only have to stay clean for 12 months, for example.
If the cop retires, is injured or ill or even dies, then you will most likely prevail by his not appearing two times.
You can question the calibration of the laser or radar equipment and request dated certification documents.
You can question the cops training and ability to use said equipment.
I can go on and on but, its really a tough fight because the Judge really doesn't care what you say as the Cops word is near gospel. You need to have slam dunk proof to beat it.
01-05-2020, 10:41 AM
#48
Three Wheelin'
"The OP has a NJ license. With NJ no matter how many points the ticket is out of state NJ only applies 2 point to your license. I detailed this back in post #6."
But that has a significant impact on your insurance premiums. Could equate to thousands of dollars in increased premium for an expensive car or family with multiple vehicles..
But that has a significant impact on your insurance premiums. Could equate to thousands of dollars in increased premium for an expensive car or family with multiple vehicles..
01-05-2020, 10:45 AM
#49
Nordschleife Master
It is 3 years for points to come off (in NY), not 2.
01-05-2020, 10:48 AM
#50
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Porsche Nuts: I wasnt sure but I think you are correct. Point is the same, if you can delay the conviction as long as possible, you will have less exposure and insurance premiums to pay. The 3 years starts the date the ticket is written, so if you can delay it for 2 years you only have to worry about more points or Insurance premiums for 1 additional year instead of 3. Not so easy to do but, possible
01-05-2020, 10:55 AM
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"The OP has a NJ license. With NJ no matter how many points the ticket is out of state NJ only applies 2 point to your license. I detailed this back in post #6."
But that has a significant impact on your insurance premiums. Could equate to thousands of dollars in increased premium for an expensive car or family with multiple vehicles..
But that has a significant impact on your insurance premiums. Could equate to thousands of dollars in increased premium for an expensive car or family with multiple vehicles..
01-05-2020, 11:31 AM
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01-05-2020, 11:57 AM
#53
this is a poor strategy
Which may cause your insurance rates to rise or.loss of your license. This is a paticularly poor strategy for 20+ over. Pay to play make it go away seems like simple math. Sure your giving them money but you got caught and there is an easy way out. Your attorney shows up for you as well. Time is more valuable than money.
Over the past thirty years I have received tickets in nearly every state in the northeast. Never had any additional fees nor civil threats because I plead guilty and pay the fine immediately. IMHO all these others suggesting getting lawyers and fighting it and all are wasting their time and money.
01-05-2020, 12:48 PM
#54
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"The OP has a NJ license. With NJ no matter how many points the ticket is out of state NJ only applies 2 point to your license. I detailed this back in post #6."
But that has a significant impact on your insurance premiums. Could equate to thousands of dollars in increased premium for an expensive car or family with multiple vehicles..
But that has a significant impact on your insurance premiums. Could equate to thousands of dollars in increased premium for an expensive car or family with multiple vehicles..
As I posted back in post #6 I went through this very same scenario two years ago..
01-05-2020, 12:49 PM
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Which may cause your insurance rates to rise or.loss of your license. This is a paticularly poor strategy for 20+ over. Pay to play make it go away seems like simple math. Sure your giving them money but you got caught and there is an easy way out. Your attorney shows up for you as well. Time is more valuable than money.
As I posted back in post #6 I went through this very same scenario two years ago..
01-05-2020, 12:51 PM
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NY state has the ability to suspend driving privileges in NY, regardless of licensed state. So even if you have an out of state with say no points or 2 points and you get pulled over in NY, you will be arrested. Assuming you exceeded the NY points, which is pretty easy to do. Some of us live in other states, but drive through NY regularly. That's the issue.
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01-05-2020, 03:13 PM
#57
There's a town in NY state where if they bust you the cop almost encourages you to appeal the ticket. A few months later you get called to show up one night, together with other 100 people or more, stand in line, talk to the Chief of police, accept his proposed downgrade (usually to parking next to a fire hydrant or that kind of thing), go in front of the judge for 15 seconds or so, then they take your credit card right there in the room with the judge. Not cheap, I had to pay $325 I think for going 60 in a 45 area, but no need for lawyers and at least you avoid the points.
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01-06-2020, 07:10 PM
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Over the past thirty years I have received tickets in nearly every state in the northeast. Never had any additional fees nor civil threats because I plead guilty and pay the fine immediately. IMHO all these others suggesting getting lawyers and fighting it and all are wasting their time and money.
https://dmv.ny.gov/tickets/how-pay-d...ity-assessment
If you receive 6 points on your driver record for violations committed during a period of 18 months, the annual assessment is $100. The minimum amount that you must pay each year is the annual assessment. The total assessment for the three years is $300.
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01-06-2020, 08:59 PM
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Not a waste of time and money. This is a 6 point ticket in the state of NY, which conveniently gets you this stupid surcharge on top of the original ticket. Again no one will ever tell you about it until you've plead guilty. If its a sub 6 point ticket, you are right, likely not worth it. With this little hidden tax, its worth fighting.
https://dmv.ny.gov/tickets/how-pay-d...ity-assessment
If you receive 6 points on your driver record for violations committed during a period of 18 months, the annual assessment is $100. The minimum amount that you must pay each year is the annual assessment. The total assessment for the three years is $300.
https://dmv.ny.gov/tickets/how-pay-d...ity-assessment
If you receive 6 points on your driver record for violations committed during a period of 18 months, the annual assessment is $100. The minimum amount that you must pay each year is the annual assessment. The total assessment for the three years is $300.
You also seem to to have missed that I was in exact same situation two years ago, see post #6, and I plead guilty, pay the fine and that was is it. No extra fees, no surcharges because I have a NJ license. New York can not do anything to me.
01-07-2020, 06:20 AM
#60
Doesn't matter, I have a PA license, if you do not pay that, your license (even if its from another state) is suspended in NY. They then send letters to your state level DMV saying they have suspended your license in their state, which will cause your state to start giving your grief from their level. (similar to collecting a DUI in another state that subsequently suspends your license there) Same with insurance etc. If you ever drive into NY again and get stopped you will be subject to arrest for the unpaid fine. If you plan to never ever drive in NY again, you're right, screw the fine and walk away. Maybe in your scenario the ticket was under the 6 point threshold, which is where this mess all begins.