New 2020 AiM Sportline Racing Products Catalog out
12-06-2019, 03:29 PM
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New 2020 AiM Sportline Racing Products Catalog out
Some pretty cool stuff here! https://www.aim-sportline.com/downlo...guide_2020.zip
Combo PDM/logger with either 6" or 10" color display looks really cool.
Combo PDM/logger with either 6" or 10" color display looks really cool.
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Very nice - it's great to see this year's Racing Guide. It's been really hard to not say anything about the PDM! Seeing it in person was great and I can't wait to see the actual 10" display (it wasn't done when I was in Milan).
12-07-2019, 11:04 AM
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That should be evident when they release the next RS3 application.
Form what I’ve seen, it’s more flexible than the other loggers, but of course it integrates PDM functions.
I like the one-box solution (logger/PDM) and the separate display. Helps with harness layout. I think you could use the 10” screen, if it will fit!
Form what I’ve seen, it’s more flexible than the other loggers, but of course it integrates PDM functions.
I like the one-box solution (logger/PDM) and the separate display. Helps with harness layout. I think you could use the 10” screen, if it will fit!
12-07-2019, 06:50 PM
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Being both an AiM and a MoTeC dealer, I don't know the answer to that question, yet.
I think interoperability between systems is a desirable thing. I frequently assemble different systems (for instance VBOX and MoTeC, or AiM and VBOX) that complement each other, but each system offers different areas of exceptional competency. The communications templates have been worked out, tested, are reliable and stable.
The PDM is not only a control device, it's an intelligent allocation device, one that can sense problems before it's a real issue.
The MoTeC PDM is just that, and integrates FULLY and easily with your C127. You can log and control, via CAN, all the consumers wired through the PDM with the C127.
The AiM is a full blown PDM, with an AiM logger (with external slave, or expansion display capability integrated) built in. It has three CAN networks, two of which are configurable, as far as I know, but modeled after their display logger configuration. I suppose if you were not using the ECU logging capability of the AiM PDM and reserved the C127 for that, then you could use the CAN 1 and CAN 2 on the AiM PDM to communicate with the C127. You would still have to configure the AiM PDM separate and away from the MoTeC for connected consumers.
Of course, the AiM PDM can be used as a standalone device. But it remains to be seen how to build a template for bi-directional communication between the the C127 and the AiM PDM that allows control of the PDM by the C127. Certainly possible on the MoTeC side, for sure.
As soon as I get one, I'll start work with a C125 and see how it works out.
I think interoperability between systems is a desirable thing. I frequently assemble different systems (for instance VBOX and MoTeC, or AiM and VBOX) that complement each other, but each system offers different areas of exceptional competency. The communications templates have been worked out, tested, are reliable and stable.
The PDM is not only a control device, it's an intelligent allocation device, one that can sense problems before it's a real issue.
The MoTeC PDM is just that, and integrates FULLY and easily with your C127. You can log and control, via CAN, all the consumers wired through the PDM with the C127.
The AiM is a full blown PDM, with an AiM logger (with external slave, or expansion display capability integrated) built in. It has three CAN networks, two of which are configurable, as far as I know, but modeled after their display logger configuration. I suppose if you were not using the ECU logging capability of the AiM PDM and reserved the C127 for that, then you could use the CAN 1 and CAN 2 on the AiM PDM to communicate with the C127. You would still have to configure the AiM PDM separate and away from the MoTeC for connected consumers.
Of course, the AiM PDM can be used as a standalone device. But it remains to be seen how to build a template for bi-directional communication between the the C127 and the AiM PDM that allows control of the PDM by the C127. Certainly possible on the MoTeC side, for sure.
As soon as I get one, I'll start work with a C125 and see how it works out.
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12-07-2019, 08:46 PM
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I'd say it depends on your goals and systems. There are a few things that the AiM PDM won't do that MoTeC devices do, but it's a very solid unit in regards to configuration, power throughput, and communication. As Peter pointed out, it has the AiM proprietary CANbus and then 2 user configurable - just like the current dash offerings. You can certainly configure it to work with your C127 and communicate back and forth. Anyone good with CAN protocols could do it. Without knowing your car, configuration, and needs, it's hard to say which is the best way to go.
12-13-2019, 10:51 PM
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What does PDM stand for, in this context?
12-13-2019, 11:14 PM
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Power Distribution Module. A lot of purpose built GT and sports racing cars use these to control and measure voltage and current supplied to all electrical consumers in the car, monitor charging and battery state, all kinds of things electrical.
The 991 GT3 Cup has integrated a Cosworth PDM (IPS32) since 2014, as does the GT3 R.
It’s a great diagnostic tool, too, for the cars that have them installed.
When people tear their harness out to “save weight,” thus replaces all the fuses, relays, this is the heart of what you put back in.
The MoTeC, Cosworth and some other PDM’s incorporate membrane switch panels to reduce the amount of current fed through those switches, incorporate switch lighting, etc.
Downside is you’ll need a complete custom harness for the car if you integrate one of these: Not for street cars or even modified street cars, really for built-from-the-ground-up race car builds.
The 991 GT3 Cup has integrated a Cosworth PDM (IPS32) since 2014, as does the GT3 R.
It’s a great diagnostic tool, too, for the cars that have them installed.
When people tear their harness out to “save weight,” thus replaces all the fuses, relays, this is the heart of what you put back in.
The MoTeC, Cosworth and some other PDM’s incorporate membrane switch panels to reduce the amount of current fed through those switches, incorporate switch lighting, etc.
Downside is you’ll need a complete custom harness for the car if you integrate one of these: Not for street cars or even modified street cars, really for built-from-the-ground-up race car builds.
12-13-2019, 11:34 PM
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Power Distribution Module. A lot of purpose built GT and sports racing cars use these to control and measure voltage and current supplied to all electrical consumers in the car, monitor charging and battery state, all kinds of things electrical.
The 991 GT3 Cup has integrated a Cosworth PDM (IPS32) since 2014, as does the GT3 R.
It’s a great diagnostic tool, too, for the cars that have them installed.
When people tear their harness out to “save weight,” thus replaces all the fuses, relays, this is the heart of what you put back in.
The MoTeC, Cosworth and some other PDM’s incorporate membrane switch panels to reduce the amount of current fed through those switches, incorporate switch lighting, etc.
Downside is you’ll need a complete custom harness for the car if you integrate one of these: Not for street cars or even modified street cars, really for built-from-the-ground-up race car builds.
The 991 GT3 Cup has integrated a Cosworth PDM (IPS32) since 2014, as does the GT3 R.
It’s a great diagnostic tool, too, for the cars that have them installed.
When people tear their harness out to “save weight,” thus replaces all the fuses, relays, this is the heart of what you put back in.
The MoTeC, Cosworth and some other PDM’s incorporate membrane switch panels to reduce the amount of current fed through those switches, incorporate switch lighting, etc.
Downside is you’ll need a complete custom harness for the car if you integrate one of these: Not for street cars or even modified street cars, really for built-from-the-ground-up race car builds.
There are many modified street cars that are running them in many forms. It's a great way when you want advanced power functions.
12-14-2019, 09:27 AM
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For the experts if I may - on the new SmartyCam GP HD 2.2 version, it says that an ECU bridge may no longer be necessary to directly connect the camera to an ECU.
I have a 718 Clubsport coming which I understand has a Cosworth ECU/logger, 3 questions I'd appreciate any help with:
1. Do I still need an ECU bridge to connect the SC GP HD 2.2 to the Cosworth ECU or the new direct CAN ECU connection suffices?
2. Do I need the GpS08 external AIM GPS antenna to overlay lap times to the video even if the SC GP HD 2.2 is connected to the Cosworth ECU where the Cosworth logger will have a dedicated GPS antenna or beacon?
3. CAmera comes with a 4th expansion connection. Any suggestions what to use it for?
Thank you in advance
Karim
I have a 718 Clubsport coming which I understand has a Cosworth ECU/logger, 3 questions I'd appreciate any help with:
1. Do I still need an ECU bridge to connect the SC GP HD 2.2 to the Cosworth ECU or the new direct CAN ECU connection suffices?
2. Do I need the GpS08 external AIM GPS antenna to overlay lap times to the video even if the SC GP HD 2.2 is connected to the Cosworth ECU where the Cosworth logger will have a dedicated GPS antenna or beacon?
3. CAmera comes with a 4th expansion connection. Any suggestions what to use it for?
Thank you in advance
Karim
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For the experts if I may - on the new SmartyCam GP HD 2.2 version, it says that an ECU bridge may no longer be necessary to directly connect the camera to an ECU.
I have a 718 Clubsport coming which I understand has a Cosworth ECU/logger, 3 questions I'd appreciate any help with:
1. Do I still need an ECU bridge to connect the SC GP HD 2.2 to the Cosworth ECU or the new direct CAN ECU connection suffices?
2. Do I need the GpS08 external AIM GPS antenna to overlay lap times to the video even if the SC GP HD 2.2 is connected to the Cosworth ECU where the Cosworth logger will have a dedicated GPS antenna or beacon?
3. CAmera comes with a 4th expansion connection. Any suggestions what to use it for?
Thank you in advance
Karim
I have a 718 Clubsport coming which I understand has a Cosworth ECU/logger, 3 questions I'd appreciate any help with:
1. Do I still need an ECU bridge to connect the SC GP HD 2.2 to the Cosworth ECU or the new direct CAN ECU connection suffices?
2. Do I need the GpS08 external AIM GPS antenna to overlay lap times to the video even if the SC GP HD 2.2 is connected to the Cosworth ECU where the Cosworth logger will have a dedicated GPS antenna or beacon?
3. CAmera comes with a 4th expansion connection. Any suggestions what to use it for?
Thank you in advance
Karim
Yes, you need a GPS-08B for GPS speed, track position and lap timing info for the camera, for this application.
AiM SmartyCam V2.2 to Porsche 718 GT4 CS and VBOX HD2 to Porsche 718 GT4 CS harnesses ready for shipment.
12-15-2019, 12:03 PM
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Another cool thing in the pipeline is a 8 channel PDM expansion that will work with the announced PDM units AND all new loggers. This will add tremendous capabilities for people. Still being prototyped with hopeful arrival around March. I spent some time with one of the hardware designers and saw some really cool schematics, board designs, and chip mountings.
12-15-2019, 12:19 PM
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It would be great to see the PD08 and the PD32 in dealer inventory sometime during Q2. Let's walk before we run!