2023 Cayenne Engine Issues
#16
They have added a 48 volt electric motor just like BMW on new B58. Also Turbo small changes and even suspension.
Only time will tell if this is even better engine overall. Definitely seems to have new technologies and slight improvements.
Only time will tell if this is even better engine overall. Definitely seems to have new technologies and slight improvements.
#17
Race Director
Materials on base cayennes and base X5s are pretty comparable. The standard equipment in the X5 is superior, as is the technology suite.
The b58 to me, along with BMW's transmission programming, is also preferred.
All this for $18k less and each respective option is less money.
I also like that BMW offers things like a sensatec stitched dashboard. While not leather, it looks a lot better than the hard plastic.
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chassis (08-21-2024)
#18
Race Director
In fact, I just built an X5 with some very nice options for $78k. A full $8k below the Cayenne's base price. Includes free maintenance.
Looks nice, drives nice, nice functionality.
The only argument is exclusivity, and with all the macans/cayennes running around, a base cayenne has exactly none.
Looks nice, drives nice, nice functionality.
The only argument is exclusivity, and with all the macans/cayennes running around, a base cayenne has exactly none.
#19
In fact, I just built an X5 with some very nice options for $78k. A full $8k below the Cayenne's base price. Includes free maintenance.
Looks nice, drives nice, nice functionality.
The only argument is exclusivity, and with all the macans/cayennes running around, a base cayenne has exactly none.
Looks nice, drives nice, nice functionality.
The only argument is exclusivity, and with all the macans/cayennes running around, a base cayenne has exactly none.
#21
Rennlist Member
MB transmissions are pure garbage and the fact cannot be masked by programming.
VAG's programming of the excellent ZF8HP in the Cayenne is quite bad.
VAG in the 958-gen Touareg TDI had a nearly perfect engine-transmission integration with the 3.0TDI and Aisin 8-speed. Paradise lost.
Last edited by chassis; 08-21-2024 at 11:07 PM.
#22
BMW has the best transmission programming of all the German brands. It is near perfect.
MB transmissions are pure garbage and the fact cannot be masked by programming.
VAG's programming of the excellent ZF8HP in the Cayenne is quite bad.
VAG in the 958-gen Touareg TDI had a nearly perfect engine-transmission integration with the 3.0TDI and Aisin 8-speed. Paradise lost.
MB transmissions are pure garbage and the fact cannot be masked by programming.
VAG's programming of the excellent ZF8HP in the Cayenne is quite bad.
VAG in the 958-gen Touareg TDI had a nearly perfect engine-transmission integration with the 3.0TDI and Aisin 8-speed. Paradise lost.
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chassis (08-22-2024)
#23
yea hard disagree.
Materials on base cayennes and base X5s are pretty comparable. The standard equipment in the X5 is superior, as is the technology suite.
The b58 to me, along with BMW's transmission programming bmw suspension repair, is also preferred.
All this for $18k less and each respective option is less money.
I also like that BMW offers things like a sensatec stitched dashboard. While not leather, it looks a lot better than the hard plastic.
Materials on base cayennes and base X5s are pretty comparable. The standard equipment in the X5 is superior, as is the technology suite.
The b58 to me, along with BMW's transmission programming bmw suspension repair, is also preferred.
All this for $18k less and each respective option is less money.
I also like that BMW offers things like a sensatec stitched dashboard. While not leather, it looks a lot better than the hard plastic.
Driveability:
I believe breaking distances are improved - is the handling improved as well?
Is there a big hit on MPG?
Is the ride better on 19s than on 18s or is it just rougher, stiffer, etc..? I did test drive an a5 with 19s but not sure that it compares - does it? I did like it and the ride was really good. Not stiff and jarring like I thought it would be.
Looks:
I have seen 19's on the a5 at the dealer but none in person on an a4. Does it look as good as it does on the a5 ( I know the a5 is a little wider)?
Is it too much wheel?