All Hybrid Builds have been Delayed until at least January
#286
Pinecone Watchman
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...and I suppose someone may tell me I am incorrect, which I am, actually. If you're driving aggressively, or pull out to pass, or you just want to have fun and do a quick highway pull, both the E-Charge and E-Hold will still use battery assist/boost if you're asking the vehicle for all the beans, though just for a second. The little battery bar under the tach, or on the digital display screen if you have it on there, will show that it's in 'assist' mode. The terms in this instance, boost/assist is the same thing. While driving, the car actually will use "assist", unless you press the boost button, and then "boost" is activated - but it's the same. Again, hotly discussed over here in this thread. Enjoy that masterpiece of discussion if you want.
I've always thought it's hilarious that we can't get a PDF copy, like it's some magical secret or something. I'd much rather flip some physical pages with some whiskey rather than have my face buried in a screen. I say pick up the car, and enjoy figuring it out on your own for 12 hours! We've had ours for about a month or perhaps a little more and I still figure things out and get it set up to my liking. It's my wife's daily driver so I only get to use it on weekends or when I steal it from her parking garage to give it a wash or something. She tries so hard to use e-power only and the first thing I do when I get in is whack that 'individual' button which sets the car in SPORT chassis, SPORT exhaust, pops the spoiler, and lowers the suspension.
I've always thought it's hilarious that we can't get a PDF copy, like it's some magical secret or something. I'd much rather flip some physical pages with some whiskey rather than have my face buried in a screen. I say pick up the car, and enjoy figuring it out on your own for 12 hours! We've had ours for about a month or perhaps a little more and I still figure things out and get it set up to my liking. It's my wife's daily driver so I only get to use it on weekends or when I steal it from her parking garage to give it a wash or something. She tries so hard to use e-power only and the first thing I do when I get in is whack that 'individual' button which sets the car in SPORT chassis, SPORT exhaust, pops the spoiler, and lowers the suspension.
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You'll still definitely have an ICE up in there. That's the 3.0L V6 up front lol.
I believe this is all semantics. The battery will charge itself and maintain ~10% for the "boost functionality" (which is hotly discussed in another thread) while driving on Hybrid Auto. There are three settings on driving what I call, "hybridly"; Hybrid Auto, E-Hold, and E-Charge. That said, the only real hybrid setting is Hybrid Auto, as E-Hold and E-Charge will use your ICE 100% of the time, either to hold the current charge in the battery (so in turn, you don't use it) or to charge the battery (again, not using it). Hybrid Auto will also charge the battery here and there when the ICE is engaged, which is quite often in our experience—cruising down hills, coasting to a stop, or maintaining lower speeds on a relatively flat road, again, while in Hybrid Auto, will disengage the ICE. If you have the "boost" button on the steering wheel with Sport Chrono, or, if you go full-throttle, the battery will assist even if "e-power not available" shows on the dash.
I'm becoming increasingly accustomed to disengaging the cruise control, which I use at any speed over 20mph, and coasting as much as I can. With Porsche's technology of disengaging the entire driveline while coasting (depending on circumstances), thus also turning off the ICE, this thing will coast forever. Remember that this is still very much a "driver's car" and the more the driver is engaged in the piloting of the vehicle, the more it benefits you.
Be sure to read the entirety of the owners manual. This is our first Porsche and some of the things that it does is way different than say, my Ford.
I believe this is all semantics. The battery will charge itself and maintain ~10% for the "boost functionality" (which is hotly discussed in another thread) while driving on Hybrid Auto. There are three settings on driving what I call, "hybridly"; Hybrid Auto, E-Hold, and E-Charge. That said, the only real hybrid setting is Hybrid Auto, as E-Hold and E-Charge will use your ICE 100% of the time, either to hold the current charge in the battery (so in turn, you don't use it) or to charge the battery (again, not using it). Hybrid Auto will also charge the battery here and there when the ICE is engaged, which is quite often in our experience—cruising down hills, coasting to a stop, or maintaining lower speeds on a relatively flat road, again, while in Hybrid Auto, will disengage the ICE. If you have the "boost" button on the steering wheel with Sport Chrono, or, if you go full-throttle, the battery will assist even if "e-power not available" shows on the dash.
I'm becoming increasingly accustomed to disengaging the cruise control, which I use at any speed over 20mph, and coasting as much as I can. With Porsche's technology of disengaging the entire driveline while coasting (depending on circumstances), thus also turning off the ICE, this thing will coast forever. Remember that this is still very much a "driver's car" and the more the driver is engaged in the piloting of the vehicle, the more it benefits you.
Be sure to read the entirety of the owners manual. This is our first Porsche and some of the things that it does is way different than say, my Ford.
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Mine was supposed to start not the 26th and didn't actually start until the 29th. Still haven't got an update stating complete.
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I don't think this is correct. E-Hold will keep the same level of charge on the traction battery, basically, but will use a combination of ICE + electric (and sometimes only electric, like when coasting or going downhill or maybe braking).
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For sure - seems like the other owners / posters are having a different experience? Well I am getting the car anyways (when it eventually gets here) - so I will see for myself. I can't remember ever being disappointed in a Porsche product. So hopefully this is not the first time..
It has started...production!
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Seems that is the date they are giving all US deliveries 6/28.
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Initially scheduled for October, My wife finally collected her Cayenne end of last week (happy wife, happy life!).
But the next day she already had the first glitch
Electrical sound issue
My wife finally got her Cayenne last weekend, but the next day we already had the first glitch
But the next day she already had the first glitch
Electrical sound issue
My wife finally got her Cayenne last weekend, but the next day we already had the first glitch
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You didn't state how fast you drove in your all-electric test (indeed, you didn't actually say that you drove in E-Power mode only, but I assume that's what you did). Nor did you state the ambient air temperature when driving, or where you drove geographically. You also didn't specifically state that you measured the odometer reading, vs. monitoring the computer-predicted range in the screen.
The best philosophy behind electric-only driving in any PHEV is to use it for driving in stop-and-go traffic or in slower driving, < 40 mph, and using hybrid mode for driving > 40 mph, because PHEVs just don't do that well at higher speeds in electric-only. As such, Kyle Conner (Out of Spec) posted a YouTube video last year of the new Cayenne E-Hybrid's all-electric range, staying < 45 mph and mostly 40 mph or less, driving around Los Angeles in typical city/suburban traffic, and he got 45 miles of all-electric range from full charge to depleted charge (when the ICE came on).
Conner also did the same type of test for the heavier 2024 GLE 450e, getting 68 miles of all-electric range in city driving (< 40 mph) and 58 miles of all-electric range at 70 mph. The GLE 450e seems to be PHEV king of electric range right now amongst cars actually for sale (the Polestar 1 is no longer being made, nor is the Chevy Volt).
The best philosophy behind electric-only driving in any PHEV is to use it for driving in stop-and-go traffic or in slower driving, < 40 mph, and using hybrid mode for driving > 40 mph, because PHEVs just don't do that well at higher speeds in electric-only. As such, Kyle Conner (Out of Spec) posted a YouTube video last year of the new Cayenne E-Hybrid's all-electric range, staying < 45 mph and mostly 40 mph or less, driving around Los Angeles in typical city/suburban traffic, and he got 45 miles of all-electric range from full charge to depleted charge (when the ICE came on).
Conner also did the same type of test for the heavier 2024 GLE 450e, getting 68 miles of all-electric range in city driving (< 40 mph) and 58 miles of all-electric range at 70 mph. The GLE 450e seems to be PHEV king of electric range right now amongst cars actually for sale (the Polestar 1 is no longer being made, nor is the Chevy Volt).
#299
Yes they had major delay problems but not sure if there are really "major problems" after customers got their cars.
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Honestly things are not exactly so bad. Wife's hybrid is now at 6k+ km and no problem so far - and she is not really "treating" the car well i.e city driving, not everyday charging, not waiting for oil to warm, e.t.c.
Yes they had major delay problems but not sure if there are really "major problems" after customers got their cars.
Yes they had major delay problems but not sure if there are really "major problems" after customers got their cars.
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