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Old 04-02-2019, 09:20 PM
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Default Turbo S E-hybrid Confirmed

A link from the latest PCA e-newsletter confirms the Cayenne Turbo S E-hybrid later this year. For all you 2019 Turbo owners, upgrade time...already!

https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/cayenn...brid-confirmed
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Interesting and cool and not unexpected. But we blew our wad on our Turbo. We'll have to limp by with it.
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Very cool, but I would expect price to be way up there.
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If you use the Panamera line for comparison, the Turbo S E-hybrid isn't much of a step up in the performance category over the standard Turbo. The added weight is major killer, even with all those extra horses.

Panamera Turbo $155k base; 0-60 3.4 seconds; curb weight 4500 lbs
Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid $190k base; 0-60 3.2 seconds; 5150 lbs

30% increase in base price; ~14% heavier; hardly quicker in acceleration and top speed; likely more sluggish around curves with massive weight increase.

If the Turbo S variants followed previous gen enhancements (+50hp with same weight), I could see more value there.
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Totally agree. As I've said on another thread, hybrids exist for the manufacture not the consumer. They get the carbon credits and you get a heavier, more expensive, more problematic car. Any fuel savings are more than offset by massive depreciation. Its a win-lose proposition.
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Originally Posted by PTS View Post
If the Turbo S variants followed previous gen enhancements (+50hp with same weight), I could see more value there.
This is Porsche we're dealing with here, value doesn't factor in!
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Totally agree. As I've said on another thread, hybrids exist for the manufacture not the consumer. They get the carbon credits and you get a heavier, more expensive, more problematic car. Any fuel savings are more than offset by massive depreciation. Its a win-lose proposition.
As a guy that'll have waited 7 months for the e-hybrid I've ordered... here are the reasons I'm getting one

1. an electric motor instead of engine start stop is far more elegant. Does anybody *like* start/stop - especially in stop and go traffic?
2. No starter, no alternator, only 1 belt
3. drive to work and and on short trips on electric power ONLY. This 1) an electric car, 2) an ICE car, 3) a car with increased performance by combining the 2
4. totally silent in electric mode
5. people in the panamera hybrid forum say get gas every 1000 miles or so (depending on...)

Depreciation- you're probably right (at least now)... is the thing going to fail expensively in future?

But- Car and Driver weighed in... "Choosing between the 440-hp Cayenne S and the 455-hp Cayenne E-Hybrid is purely up to preference. The E-Hybrid is $3000 cheaper than the S, and its total system output is 15 horses more than the S’s twin-turbo 2.9-liter V-6. Drawbacks for the hybrid model are so few and seemingly inconsequential that the upgrade over the S is to us a no-brainer. If Porsche’s hybrid models continue to improve this much with every generation, the company’s status as a sports-car icon might be usurped by renown for hybrid expertise. "
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... is the thing going to fail expensively in future?
Batteries are GUARANTEED to expensively fail in the future! There is no IF about it.
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Batteries are GUARANTEED to expensively fail in the future! There is no IF about it.
Will it be expensive, perhaps. But...your warranty on the batteries is at least 8-10 years. Imagine what economies of scale will allow battery prices to become in 8-10 years. Please don't go all "the sky is falling" on me.
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Originally Posted by 911NV View Post
Batteries are GUARANTEED to expensively fail in the future! There is no IF about it.
True. But the engine in my Turbo is GUARANTEED to expensively fail in the future, too. Care to wager what'll cost more -- a full 4.0L TT rebuild with a short block and two new turbochargers, or a new set of hybrid batteries?

If you're thinking the smallish battery pack in the e-Hybrid will cost more, well, extrapolate from here...

https://parts.porschechandler.com/p/Porsche__Panamera/Engine-Complete-Assembly-SPARE-ENGINE-48L-S-ExcStartStop-Feature/53168575/94810092011.html
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Originally Posted by PorscheMeister42 View Post
Will it be expensive, perhaps. But...your warranty on the batteries is at least 8-10 years. Imagine what economies of scale will allow battery prices to become in 8-10 years. Please don't go all "the sky is falling" on me.
Yeah but the way the warranty works is not what one would expect. Let me explain. If your ICE engine lost 40% of its power while under warranty, you would demand it be replaced. OTOH, if your hybrid battery loses 40% of its charge, that is normal wear and tear. It wont be replaced under warranty. In fact the only thing that will trigger a total repacement is a completely dead and non functioning battery. That is very unlikelily.
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Originally Posted by JCWLS3 View Post
True. But the engine in my Turbo is GUARANTEED to expensively fail in the future, too. Care to wager what'll cost more -- a full 4.0L TT rebuild with a short block and two new turbochargers, or a new set of hybrid batteries?

If you're thinking the smallish battery pack in the e-Hybrid will cost more, well, extrapolate from here...

https://parts.porschechandler.com/p/Porsche__Panamera/Engine-Complete-Assembly-SPARE-ENGINE-48L-S-ExcStartStop-Feature/53168575/94810092011.html
Maybe missing my point. At the end of 10 years you need a 10k battery (could be more). I need 0, because I have no battery. We each have similar costs for engine maintenance and repairs. Now you need pay 10k to repair a car thats probably worth 25k. Doesnt make sense to me. But then again I have an entire garage full of things that dont make finanacial sense. (Including 2 hybrids). Hey, its your money do what you want (seriously). Just sayin the hybrid is more pain than gain. If folks want to buy a porsche to drive it like a golf cart then by all means knock yourself out.
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I would say it's all moot because the number of people who keep (new) Porsches for 8-10 years is pretty low, and likely more so with their volume sellers...

You're discussing real (potential) problems that hardly anyone purchasing new is going to deal with. And precisely zero leasers are going to deal with.
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Originally Posted by 911NV View Post
Maybe missing my point. At the end of 10 years you need a 10k battery (could be more)....Just sayin the hybrid is more pain than gain. If folks want to buy a porsche to drive it like a golf cart then by all means knock yourself out.
Comparing the 2019 S to the e-hybrid

The S has 434 hp, 4.6 sec to 60, $82,900

The e-hybrid has 455 hp, 4.7 sec to 60, $79,900 and in the US has a $7k federal tax credit.

So similar performance, lower fuel costs over the life, $3k cheaper + $7k tax credit = $10k difference. So you could put that in the bank to pay for a new battery and be way ahead. In CA, you wouldn't need it for 10 years or 150k miles, since that's the warranty in that and a dozen other states.

And if you've found a golf cart that gets to 60 in 4.7 seconds- let me know where I can get one (-:

Oh and finally- at 13m 18 seconds in a reviewer actually measured 0-60, it was 4.4 actually and he measured 4.1 on the *turbo* previously... and... his reaction tells the story
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Originally Posted by jsclarke View Post
Comparing the 2019 S to the e-hybrid

The S has 434 hp, 4.6 sec to 60, $82,900

The e-hybrid has 455 hp, 4.7 sec to 60, $79,900 and in the US has a $7k federal tax credit.
Just to clarify, this thread is (was) about the upcoming 680hp Cayenne Turbo S e-Hybrid...0-60 most likely in the low 3 second range (the current Panamera Turbo S e-Hybrid is in the high 2 second range 0-60).
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