Turbo S E-hybrid Confirmed
A link from the latest PCA e-newsletter confirms the Cayenne Turbo S E-hybrid later this year. For all you 2019 Turbo owners, upgrade time...already! :evilgrin: ;)
https://www.evo.co.uk/porsche/cayenn...brid-confirmed |
Interesting and cool and not unexpected. But we blew our wad on our Turbo. We'll have to limp by with it. :p
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Very cool, but I would expect price to be way up there.
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If you use the Panamera line for comparison, the Turbo S E-hybrid isn't much of a step up in the performance category over the standard Turbo. The added weight is major killer, even with all those extra horses.
Panamera Turbo $155k base; 0-60 3.4 seconds; curb weight 4500 lbs Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid $190k base; 0-60 3.2 seconds; 5150 lbs 30% increase in base price; ~14% heavier; hardly quicker in acceleration and top speed; likely more sluggish around curves with massive weight increase. If the Turbo S variants followed previous gen enhancements (+50hp with same weight), I could see more value there. |
Totally agree. As I've said on another thread, hybrids exist for the manufacture not the consumer. They get the carbon credits and you get a heavier, more expensive, more problematic car. Any fuel savings are more than offset by massive depreciation. Its a win-lose proposition.
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Originally Posted by PTS
(Post 15765407)
If the Turbo S variants followed previous gen enhancements (+50hp with same weight), I could see more value there.
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Originally Posted by 911NV
(Post 15765570)
Totally agree. As I've said on another thread, hybrids exist for the manufacture not the consumer. They get the carbon credits and you get a heavier, more expensive, more problematic car. Any fuel savings are more than offset by massive depreciation. Its a win-lose proposition.
1. an electric motor instead of engine start stop is far more elegant. Does anybody *like* start/stop - especially in stop and go traffic? 2. No starter, no alternator, only 1 belt 3. drive to work and and on short trips on electric power ONLY. This 1) an electric car, 2) an ICE car, 3) a car with increased performance by combining the 2 4. totally silent in electric mode 5. people in the panamera hybrid forum say get gas every 1000 miles or so (depending on...) Depreciation- you're probably right (at least now)... is the thing going to fail expensively in future? But- Car and Driver weighed in... "Choosing between the 440-hp Cayenne S and the 455-hp Cayenne E-Hybrid is purely up to preference. The E-Hybrid is $3000 cheaper than the S, and its total system output is 15 horses more than the S’s twin-turbo 2.9-liter V-6. Drawbacks for the hybrid model are so few and seemingly inconsequential that the upgrade over the S is to us a no-brainer. If Porsche’s hybrid models continue to improve this much with every generation, the company’s status as a sports-car icon might be usurped by renown for hybrid expertise. " |
Originally Posted by jsclarke
(Post 15766187)
... is the thing going to fail expensively in future?
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Originally Posted by 911NV
(Post 15766340)
Batteries are GUARANTEED to expensively fail in the future! There is no IF about it.
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Originally Posted by 911NV
(Post 15766340)
Batteries are GUARANTEED to expensively fail in the future! There is no IF about it.
If you're thinking the smallish battery pack in the e-Hybrid will cost more, well, extrapolate from here... https://parts.porschechandler.com/p/Porsche__Panamera/Engine-Complete-Assembly-SPARE-ENGINE-48L-S-ExcStartStop-Feature/53168575/94810092011.html |
Originally Posted by PorscheMeister42
(Post 15766496)
Will it be expensive, perhaps. But...your warranty on the batteries is at least 8-10 years. Imagine what economies of scale will allow battery prices to become in 8-10 years. Please don't go all "the sky is falling" on me. ;)
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Originally Posted by JCWLS3
(Post 15767810)
True. But the engine in my Turbo is GUARANTEED to expensively fail in the future, too. Care to wager what'll cost more -- a full 4.0L TT rebuild with a short block and two new turbochargers, or a new set of hybrid batteries?
If you're thinking the smallish battery pack in the e-Hybrid will cost more, well, extrapolate from here... https://parts.porschechandler.com/p/Porsche__Panamera/Engine-Complete-Assembly-SPARE-ENGINE-48L-S-ExcStartStop-Feature/53168575/94810092011.html |
I would say it's all moot because the number of people who keep (new) Porsches for 8-10 years is pretty low, and likely more so with their volume sellers...
You're discussing real (potential) problems that hardly anyone purchasing new is going to deal with. And precisely zero leasers are going to deal with. |
Originally Posted by 911NV
(Post 15774221)
Maybe missing my point. At the end of 10 years you need a 10k battery (could be more)....Just sayin the hybrid is more pain than gain. If folks want to buy a porsche to drive it like a golf cart then by all means knock yourself out.
The S has 434 hp, 4.6 sec to 60, $82,900 The e-hybrid has 455 hp, 4.7 sec to 60, $79,900 and in the US has a $7k federal tax credit. So similar performance, lower fuel costs over the life, $3k cheaper + $7k tax credit = $10k difference. So you could put that in the bank to pay for a new battery and be way ahead. In CA, you wouldn't need it for 10 years or 150k miles, since that's the warranty in that and a dozen other states. And if you've found a golf cart that gets to 60 in 4.7 seconds- let me know where I can get one (-: Oh and finally- at 13m 18 seconds in a reviewer actually measured 0-60, it was 4.4 actually and he measured 4.1 on the *turbo* previously... and... his reaction tells the story |
Originally Posted by jsclarke
(Post 15775981)
Comparing the 2019 S to the e-hybrid
The S has 434 hp, 4.6 sec to 60, $82,900 The e-hybrid has 455 hp, 4.7 sec to 60, $79,900 and in the US has a $7k federal tax credit. |
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