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Cosmo Kramer 02-01-2019 10:34 AM

So yesterday I took out my Cayenne after it sat outside in -25c weather. I started it up and let it run for about 10 min. My driveway has a slight slope up, and instead of putting it in reverse and backing out I put it in drive. Took my foot off the brake and it actually rolled backwards while in drive no gear was engaged. Backed out then put it in drive and it took a couple of seconds and engaged. I put it in manual mode and just used the first two gears for the first few blocks and it stayed engaged in gear. After that all was normal, I drove around for a couple of hours and the transmission worked perfectly. Scanned again with Durametric and nothing, no codes.

chsu74 02-01-2019 10:41 AM

Exactly my symptoms. Problem is that it is spotty and hard to replicate for me consistently. The incline slope is where most of my instances happen..

edde 02-01-2019 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer (Post 15608274)
So yesterday I took out my Cayenne after it sat outside in -25c weather. I started it up and let it run for about 10 min. My driveway has a slight slope up, and instead of putting it in reverse and backing out I put it in drive. Took my foot off the brake and it actually rolled backwards while in drive no gear was engaged. Backed out then put it in drive and it took a couple of seconds and engaged. I put it in manual mode and just used the first two gears for the first few blocks and it stayed engaged in gear. After that all was normal, I drove around for a couple of hours and the transmission worked perfectly. Scanned again with Durametric and nothing, no codes.

Wow, that's a serious drag. Obviously fluid levels and viscosity have been mentioned. Dunno if it translates exactly but on the turbo volvos like I had there was an issue with Aisin trans solenoids getting weak and worn out. In my case it caused some slop and slips at different times. But I can't say I ever had an experience like this with it. And the fact that it gets better when warm, eh. Cold seal shrinkage, hot seal expansion?
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Tryfon 02-05-2019 11:43 AM

I had a similiar issue with my 2012 S; it would randomly slip when cold and felt like it was thunking into drive. Dealer claimed it was the transfer case and R&R. Haven't had the issue since (30k miles later).

Cosmo Kramer 02-05-2019 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Tryfon (Post 15617299)
I had a similiar issue with my 2012 S; it would randomly slip when cold and felt like it was thunking into drive. Dealer claimed it was the transfer case and R&R. Haven't had the issue since (30k miles later).

This is interesting thanks for sharing.

Was it slipping so bad it felt like it was in neutral? That’s what mine is like, like it’s not in gear at all.

Can the transfer case completely uncouple the transmission from both the front and rear diffs?

Tryfon 02-06-2019 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer (Post 15618068)


This is interesting thanks for sharing.

Was it slipping so bad it felt like it was in neutral? That’s what mine is like, like it’s not in gear at all.

Can the transfer case completely uncouple the transmission from both the front and rear diffs?

That's exactly what it felt like. The car wouldn't move at all so I'm assuming the clutches were slipping so bad they couldn't transfer power at all. We jumped in the Lexus and let it sit in the driveway for the day to come back to it working again. It did it one more time while I was driving it at which point the transfer case was replaced by the dealership and I took over the car (wife took the Lexus over). I haven't had any issues with it since that one day really.

the flyin' scotsman 02-09-2019 01:43 PM

hi Cosmos.......I have exact same issues with my '09 GTS given Alberta is now in frigid temp weather.

The transmission was serviced by myself last year with new filter, oil etc so I know all was correct except I dont own a Durametric so used my IR gun to read temp on the trans. oil pan. I suspect my oil level is low at these extreme temps but unfortunately my garage is not heated so cant work on it (-30c). May have to visit a shop for oil level check and adjust.

Cosmo Kramer 02-10-2019 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by the flyin' scotsman (Post 15626967)
hi Cosmos.......I have exact same issues with my '09 GTS given Alberta is now in frigid temp weather.

The transmission was serviced by myself last year with new filter, oil etc so I know all was correct except I dont own a Durametric so used my IR gun to read temp on the trans. oil pan. I suspect my oil level is low at these extreme temps but unfortunately my garage is not heated so cant work on it (-30c). May have to visit a shop for oil level check and adjust.

Hey Malcolm

Good to hear from you its been awhile! I lifted mine and checked the level via temp with an infrared gun as well (Durametric won’t read trans temp on 958, grrr!). Mine was showing fine. Wondering if I should pump a 1/2 litre extra into it and see what happens.

Cosmo Kramer 02-11-2019 01:07 PM

Update guys, so yesterday it was about -7c and I took off with the Cayenne. Got to the first stop sign and tried to take off very gentle on the accelerator pedal. I could see it wasn't in gear so I took my foot off the accelerator and put it in off road mode. There was a jerk like it went into gear! Drove off normal.

Does off road mode tighten up the clutches in the transfer case? Starting to narrow this down.

Edit: Rolled out today in off road mode and it wouldn’t engage drive at first stop sign. So much for that theory.

Will try again when cold with the center diff engaged.

the flyin' scotsman 02-11-2019 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by Cosmo Kramer (Post 15628928)


Hey Malcolm

Good to hear from you its been awhile! I lifted mine and checked the level via temp with an infrared gun as well (Durametric won’t read trans temp on 958, grrr!). Mine was showing fine. Wondering if I should pump a 1/2 litre extra into it and see what happens.

yes, thats what I'd do if I had a heated garage.

btw, when I serviced my transmission I also did the transfer case and diffs............there is no issue with them. I'd concentrate on the transmission than thinking its another component.......IMHO :)


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