EPA adds Diesel Cayenne to Out of Spec Cars
11-02-2015, 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by williamr91
Too bad for VW Group, so buying for those of you that bought the Diesel, was MPG really that important? Or did you expect your cake and to eat it as well (performance/efficiency), or lastly just want to say you own a Porsche?
I ask because, if it was just for MPG's why not save quite a bit of money and buy a loaded Toureg or TDI of some sort, or hell another brand completely? Before the EPA issues came up, were you unhappy with the MPG's? Just curious of the logic, I don't own or want a DC, just curious what is so upsetting to diesel owners (I've not looked much into it, so don't take this offensively).
I ask because, if it was just for MPG's why not save quite a bit of money and buy a loaded Toureg or TDI of some sort, or hell another brand completely? Before the EPA issues came up, were you unhappy with the MPG's? Just curious of the logic, I don't own or want a DC, just curious what is so upsetting to diesel owners (I've not looked much into it, so don't take this offensively).
Note, saying "don't take offense" does not make what you wrote less offensive.
I'll write more later, but what is upsetting is the loss of residual value, and the potential loss of performance or MPG due to whatever "fix" might be mandated. And while you think "I'll just not do the fix, I like my car", it's entirely within the right of the EPA to allow your car to not be registered again if you do not show documented proof of the fix.
And the residual value issue is going to hit you unless you leased, or unless you plan on keeping your car forever. Thankfully we planned on keeping it.
11-02-2015, 07:00 PM
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UPDATE: Volkswagen has denied the EPA's allegations, saying in a statement that "no software has been installed in the 3-liter V6 diesel power units to alter emissions characteristics in a forbidden manner." The company also said it would continue to cooperate with the EPA's ongoing investigations.
11-02-2015, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by gnat
Hopefully true, but they've been denying their way up to this point so I'd know how much their word is worth at the moment...
11-02-2015, 08:11 PM
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How do you like it? Wife wants me to trade our X5d in for one.
FWIW to the poster who asked, torque is what you want in a 5,000lb vehicle. Mid-20s MPG in a 5,000lb vehicle is impressive, and 600 mile runs between stops are great. Personally, I went for an X5d over the Cayenne due to more utility from the less-sloping rear window. I also think the X5 looks better inside and out, and I can't stand the Porsche dealers around here. Price and quick special order/delivery due to US factory was icing on the cake.
FWIW to the poster who asked, torque is what you want in a 5,000lb vehicle. Mid-20s MPG in a 5,000lb vehicle is impressive, and 600 mile runs between stops are great. Personally, I went for an X5d over the Cayenne due to more utility from the less-sloping rear window. I also think the X5 looks better inside and out, and I can't stand the Porsche dealers around here. Price and quick special order/delivery due to US factory was icing on the cake.
11-02-2015, 08:14 PM
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A vast majority of passenger vehicles would fail emission level at WOT across the board. The tests are practically designed to be gamed. If the EPA actually comprehensively tested diesel AND gasoline cars in actual real world conditions there would be some serious hell to pay... its definitely not just VW. I suspect the 3.0L diesel is just one of the first vehicles to receive actual scrutiny like this and may not specifically have a defeat device.
11-02-2015, 08:24 PM
#37
They have been far from transparent and honest at all through this process until they are caught in such a manner that they can't avoid it any more. The best thing they could have done was recall and really fix the cars when the issue first started to come to light years ago. That would have at least saved them the damage to their brand of being proven as cheats and liars. The next best thing they could have done is releasing a full list of impacted cars when this blew up.
11-02-2015, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
How do you like it? Wife wants me to trade our X5d in for one.
FWIW to the poster who asked, torque is what you want in a 5,000lb vehicle. Mid-20s MPG in a 5,000lb vehicle is impressive, and 600 mile runs between stops are great. Personally, I went for an X5d over the Cayenne due to more utility from the less-sloping rear window. I also think the X5 looks better inside and out, and I can't stand the Porsche dealers around here. Price and quick special order/delivery due to US factory was icing on the cake.
FWIW to the poster who asked, torque is what you want in a 5,000lb vehicle. Mid-20s MPG in a 5,000lb vehicle is impressive, and 600 mile runs between stops are great. Personally, I went for an X5d over the Cayenne due to more utility from the less-sloping rear window. I also think the X5 looks better inside and out, and I can't stand the Porsche dealers around here. Price and quick special order/delivery due to US factory was icing on the cake.
I liked it so much I bought a full size for myself
They are quirky trucks, very different than a Porsche and fit a different type of driver
Full size rover is the best riding vehicle I have owned, like a big town car..but I have other cars to fill my Porsche need
11-02-2015, 09:11 PM
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11-02-2015, 09:26 PM
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[QUOTE=Izzone;12724097]If they end up being clear on 3.0L engines
The epa announcement will still take a negative hit on resale, unfortunately
Vw fu$&ed up bad[/QUOTE
No offense to any current CD owners but if this news drives the price of these vehicles down it means I can afford one earlier!
The epa announcement will still take a negative hit on resale, unfortunately
Vw fu$&ed up bad[/QUOTE
No offense to any current CD owners but if this news drives the price of these vehicles down it means I can afford one earlier!
11-02-2015, 11:04 PM
#41
If you think the EPA knows what they are doing they don't. When they finally figure out what the real specs are many cars and trucks will not pass and the final result will be a relaxing of the specs for a while. Just my personal prediction.
11-02-2015, 11:11 PM
#42
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The EPA brought this upon themselves. They are constantly demanding regulations that are not possible in the real world. The EPA and it's ideologues have an end game and it does not include fossil fueled personal transportation.
Rather than rolling over maybe there should be a revolt.
Rather than rolling over maybe there should be a revolt.
11-02-2015, 11:20 PM
#43
Three Wheelin'
Might be good news for me as I'm thinking about adding a CD (for the wife) to go with my CTTS. Sorry for anyone with a CD that is thinking of selling or trading in as it may be bad. But if I owned one I think I would keep it, or sell it to me cheap
11-02-2015, 11:20 PM
#44
Burning Brakes
My wife bought a '15 diesel on my recommendation. She is a huge environmentalist. This news will not be good.
But of course, advertising that on television wouldn't sell very many new SUVs now, would it?
Purchased my '03 this year. Just call me "Nature Boy".
