endless_corners

I think we are all in for additional chains now.

slwong23

Never meant to come off as classifying all V8 owners one way or another, that was def not my intention. Your initial comment came off as an elitist, and your subsequent argument pretty much confirmed it.

And its not about having thicker skin.

All good tho, you win.

I can't be an enthusiast since I own a V6, nor do I know what it's like to experience a real Porsche.

500

Although we ended up with a GTS, the first test drive was in a V6 958 and my impression of it was very favorable. It was not rocket-ship fast, but far from slow IMO. These are SUVs after all.

With the big weight reduction for the 958 series, the V6 now has a power-to-weight ratio very close to the original V8 Cayennes.

I would not feel in any way inferior having the V6. I have said it before, and I still feel it is true: The Cayenne is a very well developed series and each engine option has its virtues and there is no single winner for all.

As for the RR question: Although I think RR is doing much better under Tata ownership, the RR Sport is not as sports-oriented IMO. The weight, at 5,700 lbs for the Supercharged is close to 1000 lbs more than the GTS (which is the price-competitive choice). The Supercharged is quite a bit more powerful, so the straightline performance is there, but the driving dynamics will be different. However, the RR might be the better choice depending on what you really want.

Basically I am a Porsche guy, so I am very biased. However, I have been very impressed with the GTS so far (even though I am not that keen on SUVs in general).

philg3

Just went through some calculations using Edmonds data comparing 2004CV6 / CV8S to 2012 models:

CV6: HP went from 247 to 300
Weight went from 4785 to 4398
Pounds / HP went from 19.4 to 14.7

CV8S: HP went from 340 to 400
Weight went from 4950 to 4553
Pounds / HP went from 14.6 to 11.4

As stated by 500_19B, power to weight ratio of the 958 CV6 is very close to the original CV8S.

Performance in the 958 was additionally enhanced with the 8 speed transmission.

Cole

Interesting number for sure but HP doesn't tell the whole story. How much torque and where in the power range is it?

I've got a motorcyle that is 2:1 but it wouldn't tow for ****!


Fwiw, I'm below 10:1 on my Turbo

MM3.9GT3

The power loss at 10,000 feet above sea level is substantial. According to the calculator below, the V6 Cayenne will be down from 300 HP to 210 HP. Turbo engines do not lose nearly as much power because they can partially compensate for the power loss at altitude. So, if you live at high altitude and tow heavy stuff, get the turbo. If you live close to sea level, get the V6. If you are in between, get some gold chains.


http://www.wallaceracing.com/braking-hp.php

http://www.rs6.com/showthread.php/10...charged-engine

MM3.9GT3

Has anyone driven the new, full size RR, and if so, how does it drive?

DenverSteve

I'm not biased. I think the RR is ugly and has had far too many problems over the years, and they haven't fixed that. The answer is that they are two completely different vehicles and would usually not be considered in the same purchase unless someone was just fishing for a SUV and didn't have a preference.

pcst

I've debated this before getting Cayenne. I trusted German engineering over British. Seems like British cars typically suffered from electrical issues over time, which I wasn't ready to deal with.

Deezenuts

I have a Cayenne but I do like that RR that ran them motorcycles over

willbj3

My daughters 2013 RRS has been nothing but problems...all electrical. They will return it based on the lemon law.

pcst

Exactly,,,, British cars tend to have the permanent electrical problems...

Dyim

The GTS probably can't do that with the sport design package!

kosmo

If could w the air suspension

FFWD1

I consider the RR as the Barbie doll and the Cayenne is the G.I. Joe.