40k Service Cayenne S
01-25-2013, 12:58 PM
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i wonder why the dealer allocates so much labor for a plug job. I havent done it, but looking under the hood it looks straightforward (unlike the 911): remove covers, coils, plugs then reverse. Prob takes a season tech less than 1hr. Then again, is there a battery shut off feature or does the seat have to be removed to dissconnect the battery???
01-25-2013, 01:17 PM
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I have done it, I'm sure a tech like xr4Tim could do it in under an hour but for me it's a little under 2. Of course the air pump bracket on the right side of my engine is very tight and makes removing the plastic cover tough esp when you add in the torque arm bracket on that side too. Left side is pretty much a piece of cake on mine. I take my time, it's a very easy task just make sure you don't drop any bolts (esp on the right side).
Yeah, a shop charge of 3 hrs. is pretty ridiculous.
Yeah, a shop charge of 3 hrs. is pretty ridiculous.
02-20-2013, 02:42 AM
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Looking to get my 2008 S serviced in Houston. Who did you take it to? Are you pleased with the results?
02-23-2013, 08:14 PM
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assuming your dealer had done nothing but change the oil for 6yrs and now they open the maintenance book and complete a full service, at full dealer prices they might charge for parts
225 spark plugs
150 3 wipers
125 oil, filter, o-ring and drain plug
100 2 engine air filters 1 cabin filter
50 for brake and hydraulic fluids
50 disposal fees
50 shop fees
and then labor, I've seen 160 for oil change labor.
let's figure 2x that for plugs 320, 100 for brake flush.
then another 100 for test drive and check other crap.
so 1430. maybe they give you a loaner or wash the thing so $1500.
on the other hand you could get parts at almost half price from sunset, sonnen or others.
none of the items listed in the maintenance book are difficult, the cayenne is easy to work on and instructions are posted on rennlist.
or find an independent who will allow you to bring in your own parts, probably get it just under 1000.
225 spark plugs
150 3 wipers
125 oil, filter, o-ring and drain plug
100 2 engine air filters 1 cabin filter
50 for brake and hydraulic fluids
50 disposal fees
50 shop fees
and then labor, I've seen 160 for oil change labor.
let's figure 2x that for plugs 320, 100 for brake flush.
then another 100 for test drive and check other crap.
so 1430. maybe they give you a loaner or wash the thing so $1500.
on the other hand you could get parts at almost half price from sunset, sonnen or others.
none of the items listed in the maintenance book are difficult, the cayenne is easy to work on and instructions are posted on rennlist.
or find an independent who will allow you to bring in your own parts, probably get it just under 1000.
I am just getting ready to do a major service on my 2010 Cayenne GTS and this is what I am paying for OEM parts:
OEM Bosch FGR5NQE04 Sparkplugs (8) - $103
3 OEM wipers- $76
Mahle oil filter & 10qts Mobil 1 0W-40- $78
Mahle air filters (2) - $39
Hengst cabin filter - $24
OEM brake fluid (2L) - $56!
Parts total: $376 and 4 hours or so of my 'free' labor.
Not really sure if the OEM brake fluid (it's just DOT 4) is really worth 4x the price of other DOT 4 brake fluid or not.
02-23-2013, 08:19 PM
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Only items I would modify is I use ATE brake fluid (apx. $15 per ltr) and I would use 5w40 oil. As for the rear wiper I don't use it enough for it to wear out.
Have fun. Sometimes getting the air filter lower tabs (both sides) back where they belong can be a pain (if it's like the 4.5L) but other than that pretty simple.
Have fun. Sometimes getting the air filter lower tabs (both sides) back where they belong can be a pain (if it's like the 4.5L) but other than that pretty simple.
03-03-2013, 08:46 PM
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I have done general maintenance on my cars for years and have changed spark plugs at 100K miles on modern engines. I am puzzled why on a VR6 engine it appears to be required at 40K miles. Anyone have a thought why the plugs in the 2011+ V6 have a shorter service interval? Also I just open the hood, remove and replace with no special considerations for the electrical system. Does the battery need to be cut off of something special done on the Cayenne prior to simply replacing the plugs? I realize the heads are aluminum, does anyone know the torque value required for the plugs? I use anti seize on the threads normally, is this ok or verboten? Thanks for the guidance. Doug
03-03-2013, 10:29 PM
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I didn't even remove the battery cable when I did the coolant pipe upgrade and see no reason to remove it for plugs ect.
I seem to recall Porsche (and BMW too) advise not to use anti-seize on spark plugs. I suspect they want the thread contact for grounding. Hopefully one of our resident techs will confirm or deny this.
Edit: See Tim's answer 2 posts down.
I seem to recall Porsche (and BMW too) advise not to use anti-seize on spark plugs. I suspect they want the thread contact for grounding. Hopefully one of our resident techs will confirm or deny this.
Edit: See Tim's answer 2 posts down.
Last edited by Slow Guy; 03-04-2013 at 02:03 PM.
03-04-2013, 11:56 AM
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I would absolutely use anti-seize on a V6. The rear-most plug tends to collect water drainage from the hood, and can rust in-place. The base of the plug should provide enough contact for a good ground.
