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03-28-2003, 11:13 AM
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Are we ready to welcome...???
Guys, as a contributor to the "Will it? - Won't it? Why is it?" debate over the last six months I can't help thinking that we ought to be a bit more circumspect about our postings now that it's here in the flesh.
Free speech and all that is a wonderful thing, but perhaps the place for criticism of the Cayenne's existence ought to move to another forum allowing a clear field for those that do own the Cayenne and those with genuine questions about it.
It would be very easy to put off new owners using this forum by dominating it with arguments of the kind that wouldn't find much favour in the other model specific existing forums that have existed for some time and have many users.....
It's not as if John hasn't supplied us with plenty of non model specific areas to post. Were I a new Cayenne owner and perhaps a first-time Porsche owner and scanned some of the current postings, I might not regard it as the most welcoming of forums.
All in my humble of course.
Free speech and all that is a wonderful thing, but perhaps the place for criticism of the Cayenne's existence ought to move to another forum allowing a clear field for those that do own the Cayenne and those with genuine questions about it.
It would be very easy to put off new owners using this forum by dominating it with arguments of the kind that wouldn't find much favour in the other model specific existing forums that have existed for some time and have many users.....
It's not as if John hasn't supplied us with plenty of non model specific areas to post. Were I a new Cayenne owner and perhaps a first-time Porsche owner and scanned some of the current postings, I might not regard it as the most welcoming of forums.
All in my humble of course.
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Christian, you are quite right. The bile released on this forum by some with an axe to grind about the C, SUVs, PAG, PCNA, etc. is beyond unseemly - it is boring and now might be considered poor manners. Maybe the admin. should consider a "I'm just mad at the world" forum. Cheers!
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I think the pre-release comments on this forum about Porsche building an SUV were very much valid for discussion. It has been well within the purview of this forum to discuss the merits of Dr. W's decision.
That said, there probably won't be much new to add in that department for another 2-3 years. Either the SUV will be a success and an accepted member of the Porsche world... or an utter failure. Either way there will be plenty of "I told you so's!" fired back and forth.
I suspect that the owners of the cars will take over the forum with questions, comments and such in pretty short order. You can see evidence of this in new posts over the last couple of weeks. The rest of us will go back to lurking and contributing in our "native" forums (911 Turbo for me) until we start to see evidence of the cars success, or not. Then back we come for some more spirited conversation.
And a lot of Porsche drivers are "mad" that the factory would build an SUV. This is a passion, expect people to be passionate about it.
That said, there probably won't be much new to add in that department for another 2-3 years. Either the SUV will be a success and an accepted member of the Porsche world... or an utter failure. Either way there will be plenty of "I told you so's!" fired back and forth.
I suspect that the owners of the cars will take over the forum with questions, comments and such in pretty short order. You can see evidence of this in new posts over the last couple of weeks. The rest of us will go back to lurking and contributing in our "native" forums (911 Turbo for me) until we start to see evidence of the cars success, or not. Then back we come for some more spirited conversation.
And a lot of Porsche drivers are "mad" that the factory would build an SUV. This is a passion, expect people to be passionate about it.
03-29-2003, 04:21 AM
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Excellent thread, thanks. Yes, it's important to realise one small, inescapable reality for Mr Porsche -- either we all tip our hats to the Cayenne and maybe have the spare dollars to put one in the garage next to our other Porsche, or, that strange, unpredictable little, _private_ company will become just another brand owned by one of the giants in the industry. I cannot imagine a worse future than Porsche owned by Ford or Chrysler or VW.
The Carrera GT is not the future of Porsche.
The GT3, the GT2, X50 and X51 options -- these are not the future of Porsche.
These are the cream.
The Boxster pays the bills. The Cayenne builds the factories.
Together, these "non Porsche" Porsches pay the salaries of the engineers and designers.
I think we all hope Porsche will soon be back into the race paddock. But not without the Cayenne.
So next year or the year after when we see a four-door sedan from Porsche, be thankful.
I think we all owe it to Porsche to speak frankly about the design of the Cayenne -- in my humble, it's just not up to snuff -- but by the same token, we owe it to Porsche to accept the realities of economics in the auto industry.
Cheers,
Adam
The Carrera GT is not the future of Porsche.
The GT3, the GT2, X50 and X51 options -- these are not the future of Porsche.
These are the cream.
The Boxster pays the bills. The Cayenne builds the factories.
Together, these "non Porsche" Porsches pay the salaries of the engineers and designers.
I think we all hope Porsche will soon be back into the race paddock. But not without the Cayenne.
So next year or the year after when we see a four-door sedan from Porsche, be thankful.
I think we all owe it to Porsche to speak frankly about the design of the Cayenne -- in my humble, it's just not up to snuff -- but by the same token, we owe it to Porsche to accept the realities of economics in the auto industry.
Cheers,
Adam
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Carrera GT:
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I think we all owe it to Porsche to speak frankly about the design of the Cayenne -- in my humble, it's just not up to snuff -- but by the same token, we owe it to Porsche to accept the realities of economics in the auto industry.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Finally, a statement that I'm prepared to support.
After following this forum from its inception, I would argue that the quality of diplomacy in the posts has shown an uptick. With the exception of a few posters numbering in the single digits (who tend to get put in check as necessary), everyone participating in this forum has for a long while been taking great pains to post informed analysis of the Cayenne or to ask fact-based questions about the specs and options of the vehicle. If someone spouts off without any supporting facts, they are usually called on it and "shown the door" until they can muster some credible support or sources. If they consistently sound the same themes without support, their credibility becomes diminished. "Drive-by shooting"-like insults are typically ignored. It's that simple. That's the way discussions work, whether online, in the family room, or in the boardroom. I like it. And yet there remains a whole lot of room for healthy and lively discussions here, though certainly not of the tenor or subject matter of the Off Topic Lounge.
The Cayenne is inextricably interlaced with issues of corporate survival and mission, so you're going to have a hard time arguing that such issues are off topic in this forum. They simply are not. If John creates a different forum specifically for that issue you'd have a stronger argument. In the meantime, the Cayenne will continue to spawn both macro- and micro-issues. The Cayenne=survival one won't be clarified any time soon, and there won't be much new to talk about on this one until some quarterly (oops, they don't do that) or annual corporate financial snapshots are available. Clearly, people have different discussion preferences and tolerances for the issues in the Cayenne spectrum, ranging from nuts and bolts to corporate matters.
As John from WA said, and as I said in the distant past on this forum, it was just a matter of time before the informed posts of actual Cayenne owners rose to the top in frequency and factual value. We should thank and welcome brave folks like Dawktah, Jim Lamb, Kevin and others who have actually bought Cayennes and have shared information with us. Please keep it up. You are both trailblazers and guinea pigs. At the same time, and even though it costs a ton of money, I would caution that it's just a vehicle, not a child; so critical and comparative discussions of the Cayenne and other SUVs (as opposed to the people who buy them) should not cause one to feel under such personal attack.
As someone who's got an upcoming family transportation decision to make, and without regard to whether I buy a Cayenne, I am enjoying the posts of folks who've recently shopped, bought or ordered the Cayenne; and hearing them discuss their comparative analyses of prices, options, and performance among SUVs has been very helpful to me.
Has it been a complete love-fest for the Cayenne from people who have ordered it, driven it, considered it, or reviewed it in the press? No. As Carrera GT points out, the onus for that should fall squarely at Porsche's feet. No amount of wishing for a soft and fuzzy forum for Cayenne owners, or hoping that uniformly rosey posts about the Cayenne in this or any other forum will be singly responsible for keeping sales strong and Porsche independent, will alter the locus of responsibility for the Cayenne. Just as folks who mindlessly spout anti-Cayenne drivel without providing factual support tend to lose their credibility, so do pollyanna-ish folks who display an incapacity to think or talk critically about Porsche and the Cayenne.
It's a damn fine vehicle, but it is a first-of-its-kind vehicle from Porsche and all that implicates. Heck, even now, after however many decades of evolution, people still critically analyze every aspect of the 911 and its various iterations. Such comments in fact aid Porsche as they continue to evolve and refine their products. There remain similar disputes/discussions on each forum about what works and looks best for each and every Porsche model.
Finally, rather than declared into existence by individual fiat, the esprit de corps of the participants on this forum will have to continue to evolve organically, nurtured along by the quality of the Cayenne product Porsche puts out.
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I think we all owe it to Porsche to speak frankly about the design of the Cayenne -- in my humble, it's just not up to snuff -- but by the same token, we owe it to Porsche to accept the realities of economics in the auto industry.
</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Finally, a statement that I'm prepared to support.
After following this forum from its inception, I would argue that the quality of diplomacy in the posts has shown an uptick. With the exception of a few posters numbering in the single digits (who tend to get put in check as necessary), everyone participating in this forum has for a long while been taking great pains to post informed analysis of the Cayenne or to ask fact-based questions about the specs and options of the vehicle. If someone spouts off without any supporting facts, they are usually called on it and "shown the door" until they can muster some credible support or sources. If they consistently sound the same themes without support, their credibility becomes diminished. "Drive-by shooting"-like insults are typically ignored. It's that simple. That's the way discussions work, whether online, in the family room, or in the boardroom. I like it. And yet there remains a whole lot of room for healthy and lively discussions here, though certainly not of the tenor or subject matter of the Off Topic Lounge.
The Cayenne is inextricably interlaced with issues of corporate survival and mission, so you're going to have a hard time arguing that such issues are off topic in this forum. They simply are not. If John creates a different forum specifically for that issue you'd have a stronger argument. In the meantime, the Cayenne will continue to spawn both macro- and micro-issues. The Cayenne=survival one won't be clarified any time soon, and there won't be much new to talk about on this one until some quarterly (oops, they don't do that) or annual corporate financial snapshots are available. Clearly, people have different discussion preferences and tolerances for the issues in the Cayenne spectrum, ranging from nuts and bolts to corporate matters.
As John from WA said, and as I said in the distant past on this forum, it was just a matter of time before the informed posts of actual Cayenne owners rose to the top in frequency and factual value. We should thank and welcome brave folks like Dawktah, Jim Lamb, Kevin and others who have actually bought Cayennes and have shared information with us. Please keep it up. You are both trailblazers and guinea pigs. At the same time, and even though it costs a ton of money, I would caution that it's just a vehicle, not a child; so critical and comparative discussions of the Cayenne and other SUVs (as opposed to the people who buy them) should not cause one to feel under such personal attack.
As someone who's got an upcoming family transportation decision to make, and without regard to whether I buy a Cayenne, I am enjoying the posts of folks who've recently shopped, bought or ordered the Cayenne; and hearing them discuss their comparative analyses of prices, options, and performance among SUVs has been very helpful to me.
Has it been a complete love-fest for the Cayenne from people who have ordered it, driven it, considered it, or reviewed it in the press? No. As Carrera GT points out, the onus for that should fall squarely at Porsche's feet. No amount of wishing for a soft and fuzzy forum for Cayenne owners, or hoping that uniformly rosey posts about the Cayenne in this or any other forum will be singly responsible for keeping sales strong and Porsche independent, will alter the locus of responsibility for the Cayenne. Just as folks who mindlessly spout anti-Cayenne drivel without providing factual support tend to lose their credibility, so do pollyanna-ish folks who display an incapacity to think or talk critically about Porsche and the Cayenne.
It's a damn fine vehicle, but it is a first-of-its-kind vehicle from Porsche and all that implicates. Heck, even now, after however many decades of evolution, people still critically analyze every aspect of the 911 and its various iterations. Such comments in fact aid Porsche as they continue to evolve and refine their products. There remain similar disputes/discussions on each forum about what works and looks best for each and every Porsche model.
Finally, rather than declared into existence by individual fiat, the esprit de corps of the participants on this forum will have to continue to evolve organically, nurtured along by the quality of the Cayenne product Porsche puts out.
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Dear Christian,
We will be watching very carefully (when possible) to see the arrival of owners and to ensure they ar emade welcome. The days as Kevin says of the bile are now over. Whilst as a moderator we run a fine line between censorship blah blah you know the rest we will not stand for attacks against Cayenne owners. This is their forum. I have expressed my views on this subject before and I totally agree that previous threads would certainly scare away people who wish to join the community. I cannot watch the forum 24/7 and I hope that people will let me or John know of any incidents that we miss.
Ciao,
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We will be watching very carefully (when possible) to see the arrival of owners and to ensure they ar emade welcome. The days as Kevin says of the bile are now over. Whilst as a moderator we run a fine line between censorship blah blah you know the rest we will not stand for attacks against Cayenne owners. This is their forum. I have expressed my views on this subject before and I totally agree that previous threads would certainly scare away people who wish to join the community. I cannot watch the forum 24/7 and I hope that people will let me or John know of any incidents that we miss.
Ciao,
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John, John, Kevin, Kevin (Sorry couldn't resist that <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ) Adam and Adrian,
Excellent posts, indicative of the majority of postings that we continue to see here.
I'm certainly not arguing for some fuzzy soft focus forum for Cayenne owners - I suspect that many of them will have vociferous points of view about all sorts of issues regarding their vehicles. Instead I'm advocating careful thought as to where one posts on a certain viewpoint.
The state of Porsche AG, PCNA, marketing strategy, product strategy, financial performance etc might be better located in "General Porsche Discussion". In the same way scrutiny of Porsches racing programmes ought surely to be argued within the racing forum.
It's a small company in car manufacturing terms - unsurprising then that we've seen how the Cayenne has been quite correctly discussed in relation to all the above. However, now that it is reality perhaps we ought to pull ourselves up when threads start dissappearing down a road that ought to be driven from a different section.
Anyhow - I'm still to drive one so I'd better keep quiet on all fronts for a while <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
Excellent posts, indicative of the majority of postings that we continue to see here.
I'm certainly not arguing for some fuzzy soft focus forum for Cayenne owners - I suspect that many of them will have vociferous points of view about all sorts of issues regarding their vehicles. Instead I'm advocating careful thought as to where one posts on a certain viewpoint.
The state of Porsche AG, PCNA, marketing strategy, product strategy, financial performance etc might be better located in "General Porsche Discussion". In the same way scrutiny of Porsches racing programmes ought surely to be argued within the racing forum.
It's a small company in car manufacturing terms - unsurprising then that we've seen how the Cayenne has been quite correctly discussed in relation to all the above. However, now that it is reality perhaps we ought to pull ourselves up when threads start dissappearing down a road that ought to be driven from a different section.
Anyhow - I'm still to drive one so I'd better keep quiet on all fronts for a while <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
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Hey guys, I wonder if attempting closure is kind of premature?
As more owners take delivery, this forum may be come more of a user group. Until then there are many issues that will change how current Porsche sportscar owners perceive their car, and how they use them in a club environment that was once geared to sports car activities.
One area that is yet to evolve is how and when the Cayenne will be integrated into local Porsche club driving activities. Issues may arise as to how sportscar drivers share their driving events with such a dissimilar vehicle. and how clubs might tailor driving events for a new type of vehicle/member.
I agree that this forum will see the exchange of info between owners. But, unlike PCA, I thought that Rennlist was a list for Porsche enthusiasts and not only owners. ( I’m puzzled by some of the aggressive, gratuitous posts from people who haven’t even joined Rennist)
The Cayenne will indeed affect all Porsche owners. Traditionalists valuing the sports car heritage ( and I am one of them) will be concerned for the fate of the marque they once cherished. Some Porsche sports car owners may think that the marque was diluted and that their “stock” has gone done.
Some Porsche owners are tying to reconcile Porsche AGs’ assertion of hardship with their their annual reports of record profits. Some are puzzled by the financial argument since the Leipzig facility is a stand- alone factory, not using idle Porsche factory capablity.
But it is too late to lament, or defend Porsches decision. Porsche AG has made a tactical decision, trading exclusivity for broader product. Dissing the Cayenne now only lowers a poster’s credibility.
Rennlist is a tremendous place. I hope we are not prevented discussions such like any quality issues.
As we all get more seat time I am sure it will reaffirm the early press that Cay will be a superior SUV. -- It HAD to be superior. Porsche came to the SUV party late. Wearing the P-badge, it would not have been good enough for Cay to merely equal the competition.
I worry whether Porsche made a mistake in co-developing the Cay with VW, and whether the sheen of the very capable Cayenne will dull when people cross shop against the too similar Toureg.
Spent an hour driving an “S” and, although not a sports car, was very impressed with how tight it felt. I will look at it this fall as a four seater for the family but that is a different purpose than my first love of true sports cars. One of the class act posts was that of Amir who may decline taking a Cay to DE but would use it to two his track P-car
One thing that impressed me about the 996 Turbo list was the lively but courteous discussion and comparison with other similar, capable marques. Many Rennlisters own more than one sports car and consider all marques/models. They already know Porsche can hold its own in such comparos. I can’t see why this can’t continue on the Cayenne Forum.
That is why constructive comparisons between product is very important to all of us for the next year or so as the Cay is enters the field. But we all owe other Rennlisters for courteous discussion and respect for the views of others.
Just my humble opinion. Sorry for the length.
As more owners take delivery, this forum may be come more of a user group. Until then there are many issues that will change how current Porsche sportscar owners perceive their car, and how they use them in a club environment that was once geared to sports car activities.
One area that is yet to evolve is how and when the Cayenne will be integrated into local Porsche club driving activities. Issues may arise as to how sportscar drivers share their driving events with such a dissimilar vehicle. and how clubs might tailor driving events for a new type of vehicle/member.
I agree that this forum will see the exchange of info between owners. But, unlike PCA, I thought that Rennlist was a list for Porsche enthusiasts and not only owners. ( I’m puzzled by some of the aggressive, gratuitous posts from people who haven’t even joined Rennist)
The Cayenne will indeed affect all Porsche owners. Traditionalists valuing the sports car heritage ( and I am one of them) will be concerned for the fate of the marque they once cherished. Some Porsche sports car owners may think that the marque was diluted and that their “stock” has gone done.
Some Porsche owners are tying to reconcile Porsche AGs’ assertion of hardship with their their annual reports of record profits. Some are puzzled by the financial argument since the Leipzig facility is a stand- alone factory, not using idle Porsche factory capablity.
But it is too late to lament, or defend Porsches decision. Porsche AG has made a tactical decision, trading exclusivity for broader product. Dissing the Cayenne now only lowers a poster’s credibility.
Rennlist is a tremendous place. I hope we are not prevented discussions such like any quality issues.
As we all get more seat time I am sure it will reaffirm the early press that Cay will be a superior SUV. -- It HAD to be superior. Porsche came to the SUV party late. Wearing the P-badge, it would not have been good enough for Cay to merely equal the competition.
I worry whether Porsche made a mistake in co-developing the Cay with VW, and whether the sheen of the very capable Cayenne will dull when people cross shop against the too similar Toureg.
Spent an hour driving an “S” and, although not a sports car, was very impressed with how tight it felt. I will look at it this fall as a four seater for the family but that is a different purpose than my first love of true sports cars. One of the class act posts was that of Amir who may decline taking a Cay to DE but would use it to two his track P-car
One thing that impressed me about the 996 Turbo list was the lively but courteous discussion and comparison with other similar, capable marques. Many Rennlisters own more than one sports car and consider all marques/models. They already know Porsche can hold its own in such comparos. I can’t see why this can’t continue on the Cayenne Forum.
That is why constructive comparisons between product is very important to all of us for the next year or so as the Cay is enters the field. But we all owe other Rennlisters for courteous discussion and respect for the views of others.
Just my humble opinion. Sorry for the length.
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As a new Cayenne owner, I thought I should chime in on this discussion. Until recently, I had been exclusively on the 996 forum (traded my C2 for the Cayenne). I started visiting the Cayenne forum when we learned we had a second baby on the way and I realized that fitting two car seats in the back of my C2 was highly unlikely.
I found this forum to be more than a little uneven. I think that's inevitable in the context of a new model introduction. I'm sure the 997 forum (when there is one) will go through a similar evolutionary process. In the end, it will be shaped by the qualities of its contributors. And, overall, I've found the quality of Rennlist's forum participants to be quite satisfactory.
I suppose I take far less issue with Porsche's move to build an SUV than many. Developing a vehicle like the Cayenne is every bit the engineering challenge of developing a legendary rear-engine sports car. I have no intention of tracking my Cayenne - I'm hoping to be in a financial position to pick up a GT3 next year. It's nice to know there's a car company that can make two such vehicles that I'm so drawn to.
I found this forum to be more than a little uneven. I think that's inevitable in the context of a new model introduction. I'm sure the 997 forum (when there is one) will go through a similar evolutionary process. In the end, it will be shaped by the qualities of its contributors. And, overall, I've found the quality of Rennlist's forum participants to be quite satisfactory.
I suppose I take far less issue with Porsche's move to build an SUV than many. Developing a vehicle like the Cayenne is every bit the engineering challenge of developing a legendary rear-engine sports car. I have no intention of tracking my Cayenne - I'm hoping to be in a financial position to pick up a GT3 next year. It's nice to know there's a car company that can make two such vehicles that I'm so drawn to.
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Dear TT X50,
I would like to respond to a name but there is nothing there. However, to answer your question. This is a model specific forum and from the post from Jim above is now being populated by Cayenne owners. Discussions related to the politcs of Porsche (by the way in 2001 PAG issued instructions through the Chief of Porsche clubs that all official/approved Porsche groups are expected to welcome Cayenne owners with open arms), clubs, PCA etc now belong on the general forum which was developed for this purpose. These individual model forums were for technical discussions but great freedom of non technical content within cetain boundaries is permitted because this is a community. However long anti-Cayenne or anti factory debates I think are rapidly running out of support on this forum. They are very valid debates and a forum for them is provided. General!! or Off topic.
Jim, please start letting people know how you find the Cayenne.
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I would like to respond to a name but there is nothing there. However, to answer your question. This is a model specific forum and from the post from Jim above is now being populated by Cayenne owners. Discussions related to the politcs of Porsche (by the way in 2001 PAG issued instructions through the Chief of Porsche clubs that all official/approved Porsche groups are expected to welcome Cayenne owners with open arms), clubs, PCA etc now belong on the general forum which was developed for this purpose. These individual model forums were for technical discussions but great freedom of non technical content within cetain boundaries is permitted because this is a community. However long anti-Cayenne or anti factory debates I think are rapidly running out of support on this forum. They are very valid debates and a forum for them is provided. General!! or Off topic.
Jim, please start letting people know how you find the Cayenne.
Ciao,
Adrian
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Christian you made a very good point, we bitched and moaned enough I think about it. Each of us had their share of frustration I guess, the problem with Porsche is that it has fans.Having fans is a curse and a blessing and that is what happened here. call it a way to pass our frustration to Porsche or whatever the fact remains that we all have ideas of where Porsche should go. I wanted to see a vehicle more like the RS6 but that is another story. C owners should have their house and support from us because the bottomline is that Cayenne is truly a Porsche much like the Boxster, the 928, the 924, the 944 the 968 which had their share of bashing over the years from aircooled heads...
Interestingly enough the Point that the Porsche rep at the Porsche factory is Stuttgart was claiming as the purpose for building the Cayenne seems to be absolutely true. A bright example is Jim above who traded in his Carrera for the Cayenne. I was in Stutgart last March and the rep told me that Cayenne is aimed to continue brand loyalty. He said that when a Porsche owner starts a family most often they will trade their Porsche for a family car and hopefully return to Porsche 16 years later. Porsche wanted to take advantage of that and keep Porsche owners in the "family". It really does make sence. I'm close to start one myself and the reality of the needs is obvious. I maybe blessed to be able to keep my babies and add a family car to the mix, some Porsche owners don't.
I'm I going to buy a C? That remains to be seen. if i had to sell my Porsche's though I may have bought one to remain part of the family...
So enough about the FX45 and the likes, lets welcome the C owners to our family.
Interestingly enough the Point that the Porsche rep at the Porsche factory is Stuttgart was claiming as the purpose for building the Cayenne seems to be absolutely true. A bright example is Jim above who traded in his Carrera for the Cayenne. I was in Stutgart last March and the rep told me that Cayenne is aimed to continue brand loyalty. He said that when a Porsche owner starts a family most often they will trade their Porsche for a family car and hopefully return to Porsche 16 years later. Porsche wanted to take advantage of that and keep Porsche owners in the "family". It really does make sence. I'm close to start one myself and the reality of the needs is obvious. I maybe blessed to be able to keep my babies and add a family car to the mix, some Porsche owners don't.
I'm I going to buy a C? That remains to be seen. if i had to sell my Porsche's though I may have bought one to remain part of the family...
So enough about the FX45 and the likes, lets welcome the C owners to our family.