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03-14-2003, 12:34 AM
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I test drove a Cayenne turbo today...what a machine!! Im very picky about my automobiles, and never dreamed an SUV could give one a "rush", but the Cayenne does. The interior is awesome, and I think the negative press about how ugly it looks is just dead wrong. This vechicle rocks, and I am seriously considering adding one to my arsenal... <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />
03-14-2003, 08:31 AM
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good for you! it occurs to me that those who test drive and like the C will be far more likely to buy them than the posters on this forum who are simply philosophically opposed to Porsche building it. if there are an adequete number of the former, it doesn't matter how many, how persistent, or loud the latter are. keep us posted.
03-14-2003, 01:46 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Mike in Chi:
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Where you driving it? the Exchange?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Joe Rizza of Orland Park. Bound to be a madhouse since they are not setting up appointment times.
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Where you driving it? the Exchange?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Joe Rizza of Orland Park. Bound to be a madhouse since they are not setting up appointment times.
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03-14-2003, 03:24 PM
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Exchange is doing the same thing. If you're ever up that way, you shpould check out the Exchange's new facility. It's spectacular. Great equipemtn. Striking graphics and wallhangings. What a Porsche shop should look like. (no affiliation)
03-15-2003, 11:19 AM
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I hate to sound like a broken record (see my other post) but as nice as the Cayenne is...I think it falls way short..
Try to get past the disgust of driving an Infiniti and the styling? of the FX 45 and give it a shot..When I got out of it, all of a sudden it started looking beautiful.
Even if they were the same price...I would take the FX 45..But at $20K more for the Porsche??please...
Mark
72 911 Targa
87 944 Turbo
90 911 C4 Cab (selling)
00 Boxster S
01 BMW M-3 (selling! hate it)
00 Land Cruiser (love it, lease is up...FX45?)
Try to get past the disgust of driving an Infiniti and the styling? of the FX 45 and give it a shot..When I got out of it, all of a sudden it started looking beautiful.
Even if they were the same price...I would take the FX 45..But at $20K more for the Porsche??please...
Mark
72 911 Targa
87 944 Turbo
90 911 C4 Cab (selling)
00 Boxster S
01 BMW M-3 (selling! hate it)
00 Land Cruiser (love it, lease is up...FX45?)
03-16-2003, 12:29 AM
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Ordered my girlfriend a CayenneS today..Im more excited than she is!! What a great vehicle..handling and performance are way ahead of any other SUVs.... <img border="0" alt="[cherrsagai]" title="" src="graemlins/drink.gif" />
03-16-2003, 02:40 AM
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Controlit....since everyone is expressing opinions I think the FX45 is butt ugly!!! Reminds me of a Z3 coupe raised up 6 inches with big tires, only thing misssing on that is big mud flaps that say "Bad ***"
03-19-2003, 04:37 AM
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This FX versus Cayenne thing is a puzzle.
I thought I was one of few that would compare the two.
I still question the sense in comparing a light, small, big-engined crossover with a 5000lb SUV that has a low-range transfer case and, with anywhere near equivalent spec, costs right around $30K more and the Cayenne doesn't offer DVD or the rear-view camera and Infiniti has found it in the budget to put in real and quite durable aluminum trim, if a little too much, where Porsche finds a plastic moulding out-source factory and a paint gun ...
Then again, when I bought a Boxster, the alternative was a Range Rover. I dunno. I guess it's pretty common just to be in that "time for the next car" situation and then scour the market for any vehicle with redeeming qualities.
As much as I have no real desire for the FX, it is a car that deserves respect for simple fact that Nissan aka Infiniti is doing something impressive at a technology and engineering level (with the front-midships chassis and the 3.5 and 4.5 litre engines and transmissions deployed in 350Z, G35, FX45 etc.) with such remarkable results.
Again, the FX and the Cayenne are completely different beasts. Under the bonnet of the FX, the 4.5 is big on torque and slung low in the chassis. In the Cayenne, the engine is more about power and revs (having less torque than the FX) and while the FX will rev, it does so with a BMW 'sewing machine' precise "whirring" noise. When the Cayenne revs, the engine is quick to throttle response with the open bark and rumble of a race engine, some roughness of a cam that, at least some of the time, is rotated up and pretty steep.
Strangely, at idle, the Cayenne has less to "say" with a stab of the throttle. Perhaps the engine management is not inclined to let a few stabs at the throttle convince it to dump fuel into the engine. At idle, a few stabs of the throttle and the FX is stumbling and barking like a rally car. Porsche sometimes seems to spend their time and energy on degrees of refinement and esoteric sophistication in areas of the vehicle that must, for almost all customers, go completely unnoticed.
Then again, isn't the "motor sound package" now standard on all '03 Carreras? How long will it be before the same package shows up for the Cayenne?
How long before a supercharger company like Whipple puts a blower on a Cayenne S and transforms 340hp into 510hp?
As far as I can tell, the S turns the same transmission and rides on the same running gear and brakes as the Turbo, so it should be able to contain the power.
I have a blower on a 285hp Tahoe that now delivers an unmistakable 420hp with no loss of fuel economy or driveability or longevity in the whole car (it's done over 60,000 miles with the blower and no drivetrain failures.)
I think both the FX45 and the Cayenne S are prime candidates for forced induction.
Of course, while the FX has prodigious brakes, it's suspension (despite those "look at me!" 20" wheels) just doesn't know what to do with sudden weight transfers, so it would need some serious refinement to make for a safely quick car if someone turned up the wick from 315hp to more like 470. Plus its five speed auto tranny is already hunting and hesitating when it finds the driver asking for all 315 horses to reach through a down-shift.
Driving both cars recently, I found it all too easy to confuse and befuddle the FX transmission (but that engine had no indecision, it just blasted to the rev-limiter and awaited further instructions) while the Cayenne transmission was always right there, every shift was quicker than a heart beat, no down-shift too late, no up-shift before its time and monitoring the G sensor to defer any shifting, even if I asked for one, when the car was loaded up in a corner -- a nearly perfect transmission. All Porsche can do with the TipTo now is step up the BMW SMG functionality. And why doesn't BMW mate the SMG to the 4.6 V8? Especially given the sticker "did I read that correctly?!" sky-high price on the X5 4.6is, BMW should have that puppy loaded to the gills ... well, I guess very few puppies have gills, but that's the idea anyway ...
I thought I was one of few that would compare the two.
I still question the sense in comparing a light, small, big-engined crossover with a 5000lb SUV that has a low-range transfer case and, with anywhere near equivalent spec, costs right around $30K more and the Cayenne doesn't offer DVD or the rear-view camera and Infiniti has found it in the budget to put in real and quite durable aluminum trim, if a little too much, where Porsche finds a plastic moulding out-source factory and a paint gun ...
Then again, when I bought a Boxster, the alternative was a Range Rover. I dunno. I guess it's pretty common just to be in that "time for the next car" situation and then scour the market for any vehicle with redeeming qualities.
As much as I have no real desire for the FX, it is a car that deserves respect for simple fact that Nissan aka Infiniti is doing something impressive at a technology and engineering level (with the front-midships chassis and the 3.5 and 4.5 litre engines and transmissions deployed in 350Z, G35, FX45 etc.) with such remarkable results.
Again, the FX and the Cayenne are completely different beasts. Under the bonnet of the FX, the 4.5 is big on torque and slung low in the chassis. In the Cayenne, the engine is more about power and revs (having less torque than the FX) and while the FX will rev, it does so with a BMW 'sewing machine' precise "whirring" noise. When the Cayenne revs, the engine is quick to throttle response with the open bark and rumble of a race engine, some roughness of a cam that, at least some of the time, is rotated up and pretty steep.
Strangely, at idle, the Cayenne has less to "say" with a stab of the throttle. Perhaps the engine management is not inclined to let a few stabs at the throttle convince it to dump fuel into the engine. At idle, a few stabs of the throttle and the FX is stumbling and barking like a rally car. Porsche sometimes seems to spend their time and energy on degrees of refinement and esoteric sophistication in areas of the vehicle that must, for almost all customers, go completely unnoticed.
Then again, isn't the "motor sound package" now standard on all '03 Carreras? How long will it be before the same package shows up for the Cayenne?
How long before a supercharger company like Whipple puts a blower on a Cayenne S and transforms 340hp into 510hp?
As far as I can tell, the S turns the same transmission and rides on the same running gear and brakes as the Turbo, so it should be able to contain the power.
I have a blower on a 285hp Tahoe that now delivers an unmistakable 420hp with no loss of fuel economy or driveability or longevity in the whole car (it's done over 60,000 miles with the blower and no drivetrain failures.)
I think both the FX45 and the Cayenne S are prime candidates for forced induction.
Of course, while the FX has prodigious brakes, it's suspension (despite those "look at me!" 20" wheels) just doesn't know what to do with sudden weight transfers, so it would need some serious refinement to make for a safely quick car if someone turned up the wick from 315hp to more like 470. Plus its five speed auto tranny is already hunting and hesitating when it finds the driver asking for all 315 horses to reach through a down-shift.
Driving both cars recently, I found it all too easy to confuse and befuddle the FX transmission (but that engine had no indecision, it just blasted to the rev-limiter and awaited further instructions) while the Cayenne transmission was always right there, every shift was quicker than a heart beat, no down-shift too late, no up-shift before its time and monitoring the G sensor to defer any shifting, even if I asked for one, when the car was loaded up in a corner -- a nearly perfect transmission. All Porsche can do with the TipTo now is step up the BMW SMG functionality. And why doesn't BMW mate the SMG to the 4.6 V8? Especially given the sticker "did I read that correctly?!" sky-high price on the X5 4.6is, BMW should have that puppy loaded to the gills ... well, I guess very few puppies have gills, but that's the idea anyway ...