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Old 04-15-2022, 11:06 PM
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My 2008 CTT starts up fine and idles at ~580RPM. However, lately I've had some instances - not each time - where, on startup and after an initial tap of the accelerator, the vehicle idle jumps up to ~1000RPM. On these occasions, I lose all boost pressure, save for at highway speeds with the throttle wide open, when I can see .2 to about .4 bar of boost.

When this doesn't happen, and there's nothing odd about the idle or boost, I have full boost the the power is delivered as it should. I'm not aware of any other symptoms. It's odd that the symptoms alternate between what I outlined above, and nothing out of the ordinary at all.

Should I start looking for a vacuum leak, beyond the easy spots such as the oil fill cap?

The only code I've seen is a "throttle position sensor/switch B low input", which I don't believe is related, but I'm happy to hear an argument to the contrary.

Edit: I'll be going through this list tomorrow: https://www.pelicanparts.com/techart...cuum_Leaks.htm

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OK, no obvious leaks in the places outlined in that article. I didn't (and don't plan on) taking the intake manifold off, though, so I may just get this into the shop for a leak test.

Idles find at the stock 580RPM, but then it moves to 1000RPM and sits there as soon as the accelerator is pressed and doesn't go lower again. I cleared the throttle code, and thus far after 30 minutes or so of driving it hasn't returned.

I ran without the MAF sensor for a bit, no change in behavior. Durametric indicates the DME is setting the idle at 1000, so I'm not sure what that's about.
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An update to this thrilling saga so that you may all sleep tonight: Problem is gone again.
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Diverter valves replaced, but problem has returned. Never on cold start; always happens when warm. Let the Cayenne sit overnight and start it up again the next day, boost is normal.

CEL lit, codes currently:



Throttle body has been replaced. See this thread: https://rennlist.com/forums/cayenne-...-and-data.html

Any tips on that "Cooling System Performance" code?
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One more piece of information: When the vehicle is in a state that I'm going to get no boost, hitting sport mode gives me the "Sport Mode Failure" error. Since this can be the case on startup, whatever condition the Cayenne is in is "known" to the ECU and prevents Sport Mode from being activated.

I'd love to hear any advice on this!
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Keeping my own thread going: I'm going to check all three acceleration sensors (FL, FR, RR), which I've already ordered in case I need to replace any. Apparently failure is easy to spot, since the sealant/epoxy will crack on those.

One or more of these sensors being faulty/intermittently faulty may also explain my inability to access the PSM module via Durametric.
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FWIW, my recent adventures with boost issues are linked below. TLDR; mine ended up being a check valve mounted backwards so that positive pressure was being blocked instead of allowed through, so the diverter circuit remained open at all times, resulting in underboost. But there are some decent troubleshooting steps in there.

Salty Pig Log and Turbo Owners - what level boost does your gauge read?

Good luck, and I hope those help!
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Originally Posted by Crozzer
FWIW, my recent adventures with boost issues are linked below. TLDR; mine ended up being a check valve mounted backwards so that positive pressure was being blocked instead of allowed through, so the diverter circuit remained open at all times, resulting in underboost. But there are some decent troubleshooting steps in there.

Salty Pig Log and Turbo Owners - what level boost does your gauge read?

Good luck, and I hope those help!
Thanks! I followed your thread, and did make sure my check valve was in the proper orientation.
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I'm thinking that these sensors (FL,FR; haven't looked at the one that's in the rear (RR) yet) are compromised. The epoxy is cracked.

I'm starting to wonder if a fault here is why I've never been able to connect to the PSM module via Durametric.




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Originally Posted by aaronjb_ME
I'm thinking that these sensors (FL,FR; haven't looked at the one that's in the rear (RR) yet) are compromised. The epoxy is cracked.

I'm starting to wonder if a fault here is why I've never been able to connect to the PSM module via Durametric.



what are those?
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Oops, I should have mentioned that: Those are the acceleration sensors; there are three on the vehicle. Used for PSM (and PDCC, if present, I believe). They're sometimes referred to as yaw sensors.

(About $250 each from your local or online Porsche shop.)

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I'm back at this, but with a video of what is happening. Video starts and my foot is off the gas; then I depress down to the floor and I don't release for the length of the video.

Idle is fine at startup, always; then, there's a "hitch" when I press the accelerator and RPMs move past ~1k; then there's no additional movement, and the engine speed is "stuck" at 1,000 RPM with no additional movement, even with the pedal still depressed.

I take my foot all the way off the gas (idle remains at 1K), then press again to get some revs, and the 1k RPM issue (and no/very little boost) persists.

Any insight/advice/guesses/voodoo is *greatly* appreciated!


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Did you manage to find the issue?
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Might be an issue with the video. It tells me “this video is private”



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I made the video public again.

Problem persists, and I can almost replicate on command with a hard or sharp right-hand turn.


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