Rear Air Suspension Leak/Replacement
Hi guys,
Chipping away at issues with this car, almost done! The next/last biggest problem is the rear air suspension leaks down after about 1 day. I'm assuming it is the air spring assembly leaking. What are my options? I see that Arnott makes replacements for around $800 a set, other aftermarket MFGs make a set for about $400. There are also entirely new rear strut assemblies from a company called ECCPP for about $800 - would that be an acceptable option? I dont really want to drop $3000 on OEM strut assemblies... What do you guys think is the best budget method to repairing this system? -Will |
If you would like to end AS issues permanently, convert to steel spring suspension.
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Does the rear drop on both left and right sides? |
I recently ordered 3 Chinese air suspension bags from fleabay and have recieved the first package. I ordered a compressor as well a couple of months ago and it's installed and working fine. Obviously cannot vouch for longevity though. The OEM prices are just painful to see, as usual.
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Originally Posted by v10rick
(Post 15694738)
If you would like to end AS issues permanently convert to steel spring suspension.
Originally Posted by bigbuzuki
(Post 15694913)
Does the rear drop on both left and right sides?
Originally Posted by JakeSwe
(Post 15695036)
I recently ordered 3 Chinese air suspension bags from fleabay and have recieved the first package. I ordered a compressor as well a couple of months ago and it's installed and working fine. Obviously cannot vouch for longevity though. The OEM prices are just painful to see, as usual.
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Ok so I dont want to be *that guy* but I found this..... I can get both rear *strut assemblies* for $100 shipped. Seems kinda crazy but it looks like they were discounted from ~$500. Clearing stock?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Prime-C...sAAOSw2fRcU4DT Honestly, for $100 I might roll the dice lol. Worst case I just steal the air parts... Still cheaper. -Will |
Although I see those have the electrical plug, will those shocks still retain the adjustable damping or is that a lie?
-Will |
Let's say I get those cheap shocks for the time being - is it possible to get the OEM dampers/shocks (which I think are Bilstein) rebuilt? Meaning run the chinese struts for a while until I get the OEM's rebuilt, then just transfer the new air side components over?
Is rebuilding a shock even a thing anymore? -Will |
Make sure it’s not just the residual pressure valve before you replace the entire Strut .... |
Originally Posted by Cayenne955TT
(Post 15696489)
Ok so I dont want to be *that guy* but I found this..... I can get both rear *strut assemblies* for $100 shipped. Seems kinda crazy but it looks like they were discounted from ~$500. Clearing stock?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Prime-C...sAAOSw2fRcU4DT Honestly, for $100 I might roll the dice lol. Worst case I just steal the air parts... Still cheaper. -Will |
Originally Posted by Stringbag
(Post 15696725)
Make sure it’s not just the residual pressure valve before you replace the entire Strut ....
Originally Posted by JakeSwe
(Post 15696730)
That's mind-bogglingly cheap :eek: - I'm actually glad they don't ship to Europe or I would be very annoyed that I just bought from someplace else.
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Originally Posted by Cayenne955TT
(Post 15696742)
Is that the valve that is on the airline inlet of the strut? I will tell you this, the air leak has gotten progressively worse as time has gone on. Meaning, I think there is a worn air system part more than a valve issue.
They were so cheap, I ordered a set regardless. ;) :roflmao: Worst case I'll just steal parts off of them. |
Originally Posted by J'sWorld
(Post 15697268)
So you placed the value on your life @ $49? Geez, the labor to change them is worth more than that....things that matter when your eating up concrete barrier @ 100mph.
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Originally Posted by Cayenne955TT
(Post 15697302)
Hahahaha! The labor costs me nothing (and the job is very easy in general). If they look/feel crap, I wont use them. Worst/best case I'll just steal the air parts off. I'm going to tell you right now, the parts I just bought are the exact same part that cardone, etc sells for ~$5-700. Other than OEM Bilstein factories, I doubt there is more than one Chinese factory that makes these parts. It is like saying your interstate battery is better than your autozone - news flash, there are only two main battery producers, they are probably the same. I will eventually figure out the best solution, but $80 bucks as an experiment is fine by me. Hell, the whole car is an experiment at this point... To each his own. You're the one implicating you drive 100mph....
Still I would be willing to bet on my limited knowledge that the bags are not the problem. You could always try some soapy water spray? Each strut has a dedicated air line that runs from the strut to the valve block. I don't see how both rear could bleed evenly without going through the valve block first. A lot of people misunderstand the purpose of the residual pressure valve at the top of the strut. It is not a check valve or one way valve. It simply flows both ways until the pressure on the strut side drops to a specific psi and will not let any more escape after that. I think it's around 2 bar. This is so the bag doesnt deflate completely because it can damage the bellows inside and still allows you to roll around with a fault. This is why the struts come from the factory pre-charged and strapped in a mid-extension position. A lot of thought went into this air ride system and compared to all the other big auto manufacturers I agree its really good if not one of the best. The only other leakage point at the strut is the o-ring at the top. I would find it hard to believe that both rears are leaking evenly at those two o-rings. Just some ideas for you. |
Brave soul you are. I've had enough fitment/quality issues with Chinese crap to where I would never trust a $80 piece of garbage to carry me down the road. You would be amazed at ways they find to cut corners to save pennies, even within the same factory.
Originally Posted by J'sWorld
(Post 15697376)
I don't see how both rear could bleed evenly without going through the valve block first. A lot of people misunderstand the purpose of the residual pressure valve at the top of the strut. It is not a check valve or one way valve. It simply flows both ways until the pressure on the strut side drops to a specific psi and will not let any more escape after that. I think it's around 2 bar.
If you want to test which side on the axle is leaking: 1. Measure ride height on each side from center of the wheel to the top of the arch. 2. Disconnect the control module. 3. Measure ride height after a couple of hours/days. The side that sagged more is the one with the leak. Regardless, unless your car drops completely to the ground, the issue is not with the air bag itself. Residual pressure valve seems somewhat common failure point, as I've seen a number of threads for both Cayenne and AS equipped Touaregs on this. The valve frequently disintegrates when you attempt to remove it. |
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