Chatterbox

I think you meant umbrage.

But it's not our place to judge this guy because of how fast he was going because we weren't there. It is possible to double the speed limit in controlled situations and not endanger anyone else.

roygts

No, I meant umbridge. Like watch out!! Don't hit the um bridge !!! I don't care how good a driver you are and how great your car is. If you pass someone doing 130 you are wrong to do so. You can do 130 safely - when you are the only one around. If something does go wrong - you are the only one who will pay the price. There is virtually no wiggle room should you or another driver do something unexpected or some other issue occur.
Yes , I've done close to that speed on a highway, but never-EVER with someone near me. If I come upon traffic I slow WAY DOWN.

Rich Sandor

130 is peanuts. now 170 is more like it.

u guys never been to Germany i take it??? The people that make a big deal out of excessive speeding are the ones who are uncomfortable doing it. (But I agree other people are a dangerous variable as they are completely utterly unpredictable!) But yeah Roy, I agree, ya gotta slow the hell down close to other cars on this continent. Because North Americans never check thier rear views unless they hear sirens.

You drive a Porsche, it can stop pretty damn good too.

bimmer

Please read my post carefully before you post such a comment. Of course it's insane to pass someone doing 60 at 130 mph. It's obvious or at least I hope so.
People in this country need to learn how to drive or take it more seriously, I don't trust my life or my car to some schumck puttering in the middle lane eating his french fries and talking on his cell phone. Speed doesn't kill, inattentiveness, inexperience, and foolishness kills.

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tangram

Driving at 130 mph on a public road is irresponsible and dangerous. I would like to add that deer and moose don't care how fast you are travelling when they decide to cross the highway. If you hit one of these ungulates at 100 mph dead on in a Boxster, you my friend, would not have been around to start this thread.

Save the high speeds for the track.

Finally, no wonder many drivers think Porsche owners are jerks. As it turns out, some are.

bimmer

Why is it that I only here whining like this from US and Canadian drivers? Every time you are on the road/track, you take measured risk. The risk you take if on your own and the bacon you risk is that of your own, then so be it. Only jerk here is you pal. Learn to drive, mind your own business, and go ahead and post your strong opinion on this matter on german boards and see how well received you are. How pathetic. Your arrogant self perceived riteousness prove your point about some porsche drivers very nicely. Well done.

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by tangram:
<strong>Driving at 130 mph on a public road is irresponsible and dangerous. I would like to add that deer and moose don't care how fast you are travelling when they decide to cross the highway. If you hit one of these ungulates at 100 mph dead on in a Boxster, you my friend, would not have been around to start this thread.

Save the high speeds for the track.

Finally, no wonder many drivers think Porsche owners are jerks. As it turns out, some are.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">

tangram

There are considerable engineering differences between Autobahn roads and those in North America. They were designed with high speeds in mind - our roads were not. Shoulders are wider and paved, turns are banked and more gradual, there are fences along areas where wildlife may be a concern, road surfaces are different, lighting, maintenance (collecting debris and so on) is more diligent, etc. etc. etc.

The risk you take if on your own and the bacon you risk is that of your own, then so be it.

I have no idea how anybody can rationalize this line of thinking. If you go splat, somebody has to clean up the mess. If you go splat but manage to come out of it alive, you stand a good chance of being a burden on society for the rest of your life. Every time YOU get a speeding ticket, those busy beaver actuaries at the insurance companies add it to their beloved database and MY premiums go up as a result. Like it or not, you are a member of society; no man is an island.

If you want me to "mind my own business", then why on Earth would you post a thread on a public forum talking about your reckless driving exploits? If you are merely looking for a sympathetic ear, then go tell it to your mommy. Don't post here.

roygts

I agree with Tangram. Furthermore.In re" Bacon".
If you want to risk your own 'bacon' that's fine.But by doing 130 on P U B L I C roads you risk others'bacon' as well.That's what this discussion is all about. And doing 130 on public roads is and should rightfully so, be illegal with justified huge penalties. We are all performance car enthusiasts. We not only own them, but participate on these boards as such. That said, Doing 130 next to grandpop's Buick is just plain wrong.
You can think what you will and be as arrogantly wrong as you choose to be. But this is ,under any, every and all circumstance -indefensible behavior that puts innocent peoples lives , families and well being needlessly at risk - just so you can have a little fun being 'racer boy'. Keep these speeds on the track where they belong.
If you ask any Professional Race Car driver whether he would condone doing these speeds on US and Canadian highways, I'm sure you would get a unanimous NO!
Let's keep things in perspective here. If your son or daughter was killed or crippled by some ******* losing control -for whatever reason- of his Corvette,Porsche, Kia or whatever- while doing 130 on a public road- you would be outraged -as you well should be- that he was going that fast. Stop trying to justify insane behavior because you own a fast car and like to drive fast. We own high performance cars. We need to be responsible with them.
Roy

RajDatta

I for one am one of those guys who calls when I see agreesive driving. Just the other day I saw a Cadillac (Escalator)whatever SUV going atleast 35-40 mph more than me on NJ Turnpike and I was doing 75mph. I was driving with my 14 month old daughter.
What was I supposed to do, not call? Ofcourse I will call and it has nothing to do with him driving an SUV. If he was driving a Porsche I would do the same thing.
Speeds like those should be reserved for tracks or isolated roads. When there is traffic, there is no need to be going 40mph over everyone else.
Raj

Caveman

Hi Bimmer,

When I lived in Philly I got grassed up by some old dear who I over took on avery long, straight empty (apart from her that is!) road. Next thing I knew I had the cops round giving me lecture on my driving and this without them having even seen it. This does not happen in the UK, yet!

Cheers,

David
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Alan Herod

I'll add my voice to the dissenters. But I think the biggest difference on the roads is not difference between the Autobahn and the US highway is not the road itself, but the unpredictable drivers. From what I have seen in Germany, there is incredible lane discipline and people use their mirrors. People only pass on the left - no swerving in and out of traffic, and they don't pull into the left lane to pass someone with 3mph speed difference without checking their mirrors. In the states, in the 60's we used to have an enforced law for slower traffic to keep right. In the 70s our laws made it everyone's right to enforce 55 and some are still doing it as a matter of national pride. How can it be safe to travel at more then double the speed of these unpredictable bozos? Not saying I never did it, I just don't try to rationalize it.

James86-951

I inadvertantly sent a driver into the wall on a local freeway. (5pm traffic) I look in my mirror and started to move over. I suddenly heard skidding and a car goes flying past me and nails the wall. (He slids down the wall 2-300ft) I pull over thinking he hit me. (He didn't) Other motorists pull over and call the police. The guy get out of his Toyota Camry and starts screaming at me. I asked him one question,"How fast were you going?" He didn't answer.

During the police interrogation they told me they estimated his speed at about 110-120 mph. (I rush hour traffic.) That is STUPID! Yes, I said it.

I made sure the road was clear and moved over at a resonable pace. Had I moved over super quick I wouldn't be here today.

I like to drive fast too, but only in unpopulated roads. If I'm doing 70-80mph and I get passed at 130mph. I'll think the guys is a moron and wonder how long it'll be before I see him pulled over. (I won't call the cops though.)

Living in Atlanta I have seen bodies strewn accross I-75 from people pulling stupid stunts. Drive respectfully and responsibly, we'll all get home in one piece.

Rich Sandor

Yah anyone going that fast in rush hour traffic is bound to go to hell one way or another.

But even on wide, open, empty highways 200miles away from any city, if I'm doing a good clip and see another car, I will slow way down for two reasons: It could be a cop, and it could be someone who changes lanes without looking, or doesn't see me.

Like I said before, I gotta learn german and move there, because of the 10,000+km I drove in three weeks, I had one bad experience and the other driver wasn't even german. Around here in 10,000km I can't count how many ******* I come across on the road.

When you can safely segregate slow drivers/cars from fast drivers/cars, you can have highspeeds signifcantly more safely. Around here there's no segregation between fast/slow.

Also, I just wanted to add how utterly amazed I am at the braking of my car. Going 120mph the car stops in the 1/4 of the distance I expect it to. I've had a bear, deer, and elk walk out in front of me in the cavalier and it was just plain unsafe with the brakes on that car.

classic911

Italy just raised their speed limit to almost 100mph because the authorites claimed that the lower speeds "bored drivers and made them less attentive"!

The problem here is the the lane discipline is s**t, people weave in and out, there are left lane bandits, SUVs that handle horribly, tailgaters with cellphones and coffee, etc. Today I saw a Maxima and Intrepid weaving in and out of traffic, triple lane changes without signals, etc. They were cutting people off big time.

The incompetence of the average American motorist is the main reason why I don't own a motorcycle anymore.

exc911ence

Motorists are actually encouraged to rat on other drivers here on the Island. There are billboards posted on highways here stating: "Report Aggressive Driving" and has a 1-800 number under it. It's not just big brother watching you... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />