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Old 10-25-2002, 12:14 PM
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I believe you said "Smoke any Boxster or Boxster S" correct? Any, meaning any of them in existence today correct? Hmmm, that I would have to see.... ah what a good chuckle to start a Friday morning.


Oh, speaking of competitive street racing, ie drag racing, I had a guy in a brand new primer grey colored Nissan 350 Z challenge me at a light last week. Down he went much to his suprise, afterwards I saw him rapidly dialing someone on his cell phone, maybe his dealer? The phone he had looked pretty cool though, sort of looked like it was designed by the same people who made the car...


Then again, I suppose I could invest in a couple of dollar stocks and when they go to two dollars take the money out and buy a new Enzo that could beat "any" 928 on the road...

Here's some interesting stuff on the 928:

The extraordinary 32 valve, 316 hp, 303 cubic inch V-8 is what the S4 is really all about. Crush the accelerator in any gear, and this 3507 lb. German bazooka shell

Wow, 3507 pounds! That's Phat!

928 S4 Test Results:

THROUGH THE GEARS (seconds):

0-30mph
2.6
0-70mph
7.6

0-40mph
3.6
0-80mph
9.6

0-50mph
4.7
0-90mph
11.9

0-60mph
6.0
0-100mph
14.2

STANDING ╝ MILE:
14.5 sec


TERMINAL SPEED:
100.5mph


AVG TOP SPEED BANKED CIRCUIT:
155.4mph


FASTEST ╝ MILE BANKED CIRCUIT:
160.7mph


ACCELERATION IN KICKDOWN:



30-50mph
2.4 sec
60-80mph
3.6 sec

40-60mph
2.5 sec
70-90mph
4.4 sec

50-70mph
2.8 sec
80-100mph
5.2 sec

MAX SPEED IN GEARS @ 6100rpm:



FIRST
45mph
THIRD
116mph

SECOND
73mph
FOURTH
155.4mph @ 5800rpm


WOW a 14.5 second 1/4 mile! That sure beats "Any" Boxster on the road... not to mention that 6 second 0-60 time...

Oh wait you want the 928 GTS... ok here you go:

"The cars make 346HP and 369 lb-ft of torque. The automatic will do 0-60 in 5.6 seconds and the 5-speed will do the same in 5.5. They will cover the quarter mile in 14.1 seconds at 99 mph for the auto and 13.7 at 102 for the 5-speed."

A stock Boxster S runs a 13.9 1/4 mile and has the same 0-60 time, my car is closer to 13.0 and 5 seconds, after all you did say "ANY" Boxster or Boxster S out there.

Do we even need to start talking about cornering ability?

Hey I like the 928 as much as the next guy, I always thought "Sharks" were cool, but to state that a 928 will blow away ANY Boxster or Boxster S on the road is just, well stupid.

They need to have some sort of Porsche IQ test for Rennlist membership...

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Old 10-25-2002, 01:20 PM
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It would be nice to see a boost in hp for the boxter, but I think it would be nicer to feel the Boost kick in on a boxter!!!
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Old 10-25-2002, 01:20 PM
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Don't encourage him Ken <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> .

See my response to your post on the 928 Forum.
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Old 10-26-2002, 01:17 AM
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Randy,

Thanks for the response, I figured that was probably the case, I'm sure he'll learn to settle down and learn to spell in time... <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />
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Old 10-26-2002, 05:25 AM
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Wait a second there "Boxster Boy" -
You may have over stepped your information despensing skills here.

(It is now your place here to call me an "Unloved, overweight, undervalued, cantankerous 928 driver boy"

Done? Good. <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Okay, the S4 is more like 3550, and not what you mentioned. Not all S4s are created equal, and the GTS is so variable in power output that you cannot use those stats for it. Its also heaver still than the S4. Also, the S4 is not 303cu.
Its 5.0L, or actually more like a 305.
Just making sure the records are straight.

You can easily get a late car down to 3300 by removing your seats, some sound material, AC stuff in back, and your love handles. I did. But not the love handles. But they really aren't so much love handles as extra room for height-improvement.....
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Okay, back on track. You know your post over in the 928 garage was really elitist...NO wait, that was my post for the 993 board.....
Start over...

986 folks here in San Diego are such a funny bunch. They are essentially 9/10 simply posers. They simply moved up from thier miata or MR2 when they made middle managment, and are streamed out on a lease for this BOXTER (I spelled that wrong intentionally) I'm not even sure if they know its a Porsche.

Usually they are 'tips, and this is why this nia character thinks he can beat any boxster. Because he has probably been next to one, provoked, and then left the poor soul in the dust. The problem is the poor soul never new he was challenged.

I have seen exactly ONE Boxster on San Diego freeways that had some spunk. It was a blue S at midnight. I was doing my normal x8mph, and he sped up upon being passed by me and stuck to my right rear. This was a bit too much, so I simply ran through the gears (3rd at 3k until 5th at say 5.5k- you do the math. I did this twice, and both times, he eventually caught up when I came back down into obit . I KNOW that he was trying because of his actions the third time. He took off. I passed him again, but with a bit more effort. There was no "blowing away", and there was no "walking". But he saw my tailights.

He flashed as he got off the highway, and all was gentlemanly (or if it was a woman, all was co-ed)


Simple facts.


Its adicting to drive a 928, as many who have had one can attest, but your judgment is sometimes clouded by the torque.

Quarter mile times, 0-60 times, are all useless and meaningless. The 928 shines above 80mph(unless you have the windows down and the sunroof open, and then it shines at 30mph in 1st in a tunnel), and on the race track with capable hands. Mid engined cars handle GREAT. I just don't want to be the one making the mistake in a car like that. I like my moment of inertia thank you very much.

This I DON'T know: Why don't you see many factory backed racers with boxters?


Lets all just get along, and not provoke each other. You guys have enough issues with the 911 and 996 crowd with being grouped together with 914s. Its like the 996 guys don't remember that thier car is exactly the same thing - suspension and front clip wise.

We have enough issues in that we are unknown, and we get excited when we see 3 or more 928s in one group.

Good will, and gobs of torque to all, but I do think that it will take mor ethan 6 speeds and less weight to make up for your 70hp (stock) difference.

Now, Ken, your car is modified. This does not count. Though I highly doubt that some headers and an ECU programming stunt are going to gain you almost a full second in the quarter mile.

Your warrantee comment was just a bad dig. I am not so sure I would feel too secure with a Porsche dealership as a warrantee shop! <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" />
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Old 10-26-2002, 06:49 AM
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Thanks Brendan, now I have to jump in. I do believe that the BOXSTER is a very capable track car and more than a 928 can handle on a tight autocross or road course, but give us room to stretch the long legs and high speed handling of a 928 (Which was designed for a totally different purpose!) and you have no contest. It has been proven by several people (addicts) that the 928 can be a superior track car with no equal. Just ask the poor 911 TT at the Porsche Parade at Boise, Id. this year. The Devek White Car (normally aspirated 6.5 litre) was 4 seconds PER LAP faster than the 2nd place 600 hp TT in it's class. Can it reproduce the same results in a very tight course? Probably not. The 986 is a very balanced and capable race car for the tight course, limited hp crowd. There is not much that will touch it in it's class, but let's not start to cross classes here.

I have a 1.8 litre 200 hp Fiat Spider that will kill my 86.5 928 light to light and on any short course, but I really get nervous in it at anything above 100 mph. My 928 will purr at 140 mph all day without any problems and I will feel refreshed and ready to go after the drive.

What I'm trying to say here is that they are all made by the same company but for different purposes. I am not a fan of the Boxster, but cannot fault it's capabilities. I have found what I like, and it's the 928. I still wave at 986 owners even if they don't wave back. To each, their own! Why don't we just band together against the 911 owners? C'mon, they have their purpose too. A large group supporting PORSCHE gets further than a group of in-fighting competitors. I would be more than willing to take a Boxster owner with me on a open road race if I could share his ride on a good autocross.

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Old 10-27-2002, 07:56 PM
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Well stated Ketchmi.

I love all things Porsche, even the much maligned 914. I can only afford one Porsche at a time and, after a lengthy time owning a 951, now have a 928S4. I'm not exactly sure why, but I've always liked the 928 and finally made the jump.

I have always felt like the black sheep of the family, both with the 951 and 928 but I don't care. That's not why I chose them. It's about having a Porsche, which is designed to be more than transportation, no matter which model. For me, it's what I see underneath when I work on the car. It's the engineering and design, not the logo. That's what Porsche means.

I always feel something in common with the stranger that I pass in another Porsche. Maybe I think that he/she "gets it" also. Unfortunately I typically don't get the return waive from the owners of the newer models. Pity. I'll keep trying though.

Thanks for hearing me out, hope I haven't strayed to far from the topic. Now back to the 928 board...
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Old 10-28-2002, 12:48 AM
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Last time i toyed with a Boxter i was the smarter driver and was looking down the road ahead of me.
YUP, there were the BRIGHT reflected letters of "NEVADA HIGHWAY PATROL" on the trunk of the cruiser appx 100yds in front of me(night)
I guess the Boxter driver was too focused on revenge (i walked away from him the first time) and then wondering why i didnt play along the second time. He went frikn sailing by the cruiser...BUSTED!!! and I went on my merry way.

Boxters are good cars, wouldnt mind and "S" my self, but as stated above, once the tight twistys are behind you, the 928 is hard to beat.
IMHO of course.
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[quote]986 folks are such a funny bunch. They are essentially 9/10 simply posers. They simply moved up from thier miata or MR2 when they made middle managment...
I have seen exactly ONE Boxster on San Diego freeways that had some spunk. It was a blue S at midnight. I was doing my normal x8mph, and he sped up upon being passed by me and stuck to my right rear. This was a bit too much, so I simply ran through the gears (3rd at 3k until 5th at say 5.5k- you do the math. I did this twice, and both times, he eventually caught up when I came back down into orbit . I KNOW that he was trying because of his actions the third time. He took off. I passed him again, but with a bit more effort. There was no "blowing away", and there was no "walking". But he saw my tailights. <hr></blockquote>



Hehehehehe you Boxster guys are a crack up.

I have to agree with the 928 guys here, and their facts are as stated above. The 928 definately is king in many many areas where the Boxster will simply never be able to compete and "Sharks" definately bite when antagonized!

I have run up on an occasional very skilled driver in a Boxter that can put the car through the twisties pretty effectively. Then, as soon as the the curves got a bit milder or gets even a tiny bit straight I have seen the very potent 928 postiviely mangle all the effort a skilled Boxster driver has to put into all those turns to creep near or slightly pass a heavier 928.

Nia may have been a bit over zealous with his claims but he is not exactly "talk'in smack". I say its no fair cowering behind list moderators when simply comparisions of actual performance of our cars are voiced. But certainly opinions like mine are just the kind of of opines that can get me banned from this forum.

Of course the next time the 928 (Shark) is slammed we may witness a grip of Boxster addicts get away (in fact, encourage) with it, until a guy like Nia pops up to flex his 928 muscle.

Hey I love all Porsches, and have owned or driven quite a few and the facts are what the are about each of our cars and with that said...even I know that the 928GT/S4/GTS/Club Sport are Porsches with a big bite, don't antagonize it.
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[quote]Originally posted by K27:
<strong>Well a tour of this thread has added countless more reasons to dump my PCA membership.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Have you ever noticed that BMW, Corvette, Alfa, Ferrari, and other clubs don't have this problem (bashing each other models) It seems to be relegated to Porsche owners and our club. We hate each other because your Porsche does not have a engine in the same spot as mine or, is water cooled, or is not a turbo, or is a flat 6, or V8.

What a childish mess we have made for ourselves.
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Old 10-28-2002, 11:13 AM
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Just remember, the 928 was built for touring, and touring it does! Mine is a daily driver (when it isn't being worked on or modified). I feel about as secure as one could in a flying metal coffin. I'm out there on a daily basis competing with semi trucks and yuppie soccer moms yacking on cell phones in their suv's. I'd feel a bit less confident that I was going to get where I was going in one piece in a boxter.

Also, and this is going to step on a few toes, the boxter, when unmodified with aggressive wide tires, roll cages, etc, pretty much looks like a chick car. A definate step above a Miata though. If you're a guy who drives a stock Boxter with the top down, please wear a nice long flowing scarf to identify yourself...
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Should a 928 S4, GT or GTS not be adequate to "handle" your Boxter "S", my 1981 928 would be glad to do the job. Can you say "modified"? Go ahead, bring a supercharged Boxter if you want, the results will still be the same.

On any open road course or track, I would take the shark, hands down, without exception.

If I was building a car for tight track use, it would be a 944 turbo with serious mods. That is still enough to smoke ANY stock Boxter or Boxter "S" out there. Street or track.

Heck, 24 psig of boost allows my 5 cylinder Audi to outrun any stock Boxter in a straight line.

Don't get me wrong, I like the Boxter, but for the money I can get a lot more car in a 928 or 944 turbo. Best of all, I don't drive a car that I see at least 20 of every day.

Face it, the Boxter has no exclusivity any more. Most of you drive it because it says "Porsche" on the hood (don't lie). It is the ultimate image Porsche.
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[quote]Originally posted by John:
<strong>Most of you drive it because it says "Porsche" on the hood (don't lie). It is the ultimate image Porsche.</strong><hr></blockquote>

John, I have nothing against 928's or 944 Turbos (my prior Turbo S Track car was a monster) but I call BS on the quote above. I drive my S because it is way fun on the street and the track.
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To tell you the truth, a sports car must have overall ability does it not? The boxter IMHO has a great ability to handle in the curves but that does not compensate for the lack of power that it has. That's why porsches and ferraris and all others sports cars are considered sports cars. They have an incredible ability to have great overall performance. That's why I love the 951, it doesn't handle quite as well as a boxter(just a little less ) , but it can compensate. The 928 is in many ways similar to the 951, it can compensate. Almost all porsches follow that idea of compensation except for the boxter. Hey, don't get me wrong, the boxter is a great car; it's just missing that "Umph"
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Two Comments:

First to Brendan-
Amusing post, although just so you know the figures I scrounged up on the 928 came from none other than this website! Yep, check the Rennlist car model info, it's all there.

Second to John-
My dad is bigger than your dad nah nah nah nah nah, your post makes about as much sense as someone handing you the keys to a Porsche in the first place. Happy to let you view my license plate at the track in any car you choose cause see my warp driven BadA$$ Boxster is faster than any car anywhere any time yada yada yada have I put everyone to sleep yet.


BTW, has anyone seen the new Boxster GT? Oh wait, now I remember Porsche decided to rename it's new mid engine supercar the Carrera GT... but we all know the superiority of the mid engine design, just ask those 914 owners...

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