Silly me: I bought a 944 for E-street Autocross
#61
Have you tried GroudControls site, they offer the different combos of coil over threaded collars kits for the 944.
#62
Where do you run?
I think I'm going to get real knowledgeable about bump stops.
I went to install the JRZ rears the other day and found that one of them was wonky. No gas pressure... strange behavior. It's being looked at. N2 may have gone past the floating piston o-ring.
I think I'm going to get real knowledgeable about bump stops.
I went to install the JRZ rears the other day and found that one of them was wonky. No gas pressure... strange behavior. It's being looked at. N2 may have gone past the floating piston o-ring.
#63
This is actually a gray area, though. Since the sleeves aren't technically part of the shocks, it's not unreasonable to assert that you must run the stock sleeves. Then again, I'm pretty sure we didn't on my old 968 (as we had Motons with threaded bodies).
You're seeing one of the downsides of running a 27-year-old car with a rare option package. Maybe watch eBay and the PCA classifieds?
#64
Burning Brakes
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I was also going to recommend getting aftermarket pieces, if not necessarily Ground Control, since aftermarket shocks (and threaded shock bodies) are legal.
This is actually a gray area, though. Since the sleeves aren't technically part of the shocks, it's not unreasonable to assert that you must run the stock sleeves. Then again, I'm pretty sure we didn't on my old 968 (as we had Motons with threaded bodies).
You're seeing one of the downsides of running a 27-year-old car with a rare option package. Maybe watch eBay and the PCA classifieds?
This is actually a gray area, though. Since the sleeves aren't technically part of the shocks, it's not unreasonable to assert that you must run the stock sleeves. Then again, I'm pretty sure we didn't on my old 968 (as we had Motons with threaded bodies).
You're seeing one of the downsides of running a 27-year-old car with a rare option package. Maybe watch eBay and the PCA classifieds?
I've already got new perches and lock rings on order from Porsche, so I'll have some extra parts.
As for perfect legality, I was prepared to go with an aftermarket solution but I think it would have to do 2 things to be legal and protest proof: 1) not be significantly lighter, and 2) not provide any extra range of adjustment. I would have to make sure I knew what the stock range of adjustment was, especially how low it could go, by measuring a stock assy, and be prepared to prove with pictures and measurements that I was not exceeding it.
For instance, the sleeves in the kits that are sold to convert standard struts to adjustable coil-overs appear to be a bit thinner material, but I'm not sure. Also, they definitely use a different type of thread that doesn't require a separate spring perch and locking ring. Therefore, the assembly is clearly somewhat lighter and might offer additional lowering capability. They are also designed to use racing springs with square-ground ends. Not sure how I was going to adapt to the Porsche spring with unground ends and variable wire diameter.
The other solution I was contemplating came from George Beuselinck at 944Ecology. He was willing to temporarily "sell" me a sleeve off a set of M030 struts he had tucked away so that I could reverse engineer it and have a set machined from scratch. That was quite a generous offer from someone I've never met.
Thanks to everyone for their help and comments to date!
P.S. with an aftermarket strut like the Motons were(?), since the strut is a suspension link, not just a shock, I'd think you might have to prove both things as well: no weight (performance) advantage and no adjustability advantage.
Last edited by edfishjr; 04-28-2017 at 11:08 AM.
#65
The make of shock absorbers, struts, and strut housings may be substituted [...] The following restrictions apply:
#66
Burning Brakes
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I'm pretty sure the weight consideration is a non-issue. 13.5 says:
Several paragraphs of restrictions follow. As you noted, suspension geometry changes as a result of the strut substitution are explicitly forbidden, but there's no mention of weight. Pretty much everyone serious runs aftermarket struts, and this is the first time I've heard anyone mention weight as a consideration for legality. I don't think it is.
Several paragraphs of restrictions follow. As you noted, suspension geometry changes as a result of the strut substitution are explicitly forbidden, but there's no mention of weight. Pretty much everyone serious runs aftermarket struts, and this is the first time I've heard anyone mention weight as a consideration for legality. I don't think it is.
Given this, I could design a legal strut from carbon fiber and Ti and take big weight out of the front of any McStrut car. (At incredible expense, of course.)
#67
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I have a 944S and I'm running in C Street. Having read the rules a few times now it appears to require that I install all the M030 components if I want to install any of them. As an option package, it specifically states that I must install the entire option package and not just part of it.
Are you installing the M030 spindles and brakes too?
Are you installing the M030 spindles and brakes too?
#68
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One more question.
I'm running autocross on BFG 225/45-15 on the original 15x7 phone dials too. I definitely have noticed that I could use some more traction in the rear in the turns, slaloms, and exiting tight corners. I don't have LSD :-(
You mention there is a source for modifying the original 15x7 phone dials to 15x8 for the rear. Who offers that service?
I'm running autocross on BFG 225/45-15 on the original 15x7 phone dials too. I definitely have noticed that I could use some more traction in the rear in the turns, slaloms, and exiting tight corners. I don't have LSD :-(
You mention there is a source for modifying the original 15x7 phone dials to 15x8 for the rear. Who offers that service?
#69
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
One more question.
I'm running autocross on BFG 225/45-15 on the original 15x7 phone dials too. I definitely have noticed that I could use some more traction in the rear in the turns, slaloms, and exiting tight corners. I don't have LSD :-(
You mention there is a source for modifying the original 15x7 phone dials to 15x8 for the rear. Who offers that service?
I'm running autocross on BFG 225/45-15 on the original 15x7 phone dials too. I definitely have noticed that I could use some more traction in the rear in the turns, slaloms, and exiting tight corners. I don't have LSD :-(
You mention there is a source for modifying the original 15x7 phone dials to 15x8 for the rear. Who offers that service?
He said his backlog was 8 weeks but would shrink to 2 or 3 later in the summer.
#70
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
I have a 944S and I'm running in C Street. Having read the rules a few times now it appears to require that I install all the M030 components if I want to install any of them. As an option package, it specifically states that I must install the entire option package and not just part of it.
Are you installing the M030 spindles and brakes too?
Are you installing the M030 spindles and brakes too?
I havent researched the earlier S.
Edit: Per the PET, the '87 944S M030 spindle (951.341.655 (656).34) became the standard spindle on the '89 Base. So, it maybe makes sense that they wouldn't have needed a new M030 spindle for a slower, lighter, less powerful car.
I have no idea what the difference is between the '87 standard spindle and the M030 version. If the difference was negligible, or negative, in autocross terms your competitors might not care. For instance, if the M030 gives more camber, or is only slightly heavier for durability, etc.
Last edited by edfishjr; 05-06-2017 at 01:14 AM.
#71
http://strcarrera.blogspot.com/2015/...ls-part-2.html
#72
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Oh hey, Weldcraft did mine, so that might have been me.
http://strcarrera.blogspot.com/2015/...ls-part-2.html
http://strcarrera.blogspot.com/2015/...ls-part-2.html
Did you ever sell that car? I think it was on BAT at one time.
#73
Drifting
Oh hey, Weldcraft did mine, so that might have been me.
http://strcarrera.blogspot.com/2015/...ls-part-2.html
http://strcarrera.blogspot.com/2015/...ls-part-2.html
#74
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
My experience with weld repairs cracking is that the new crack develops a slow leak first which is catchable early, rather than a catastrophic failure. It's happened to me twice.
If I were regularly tracking such wheels, I think I'd dye-penetrant inspect on a schedule.