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Old 10-30-2018, 09:08 PM
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It looks like a 718 Boxster in A/Street. My question: is an A/Street legal Boxster allowed to have PDK, PASM, Torque-vectoring LSD, and Sport Chrono with launch control? Bridgestone RE71r tires are available in OEM sizes.

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Old 10-30-2018, 11:07 PM
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Yes. In fact that would be the unicorn option package to look for, I think, and one I built in the configurator more than once while talking myself down, hahaha.
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Yes. In fact that would be the unicorn option package to look for, I think, and one I built in the configurator more than once while talking myself down, hahaha.
Definitely a unicorn because base 718 buyers wouldn’t have spent the money on all those options. If you’re willing to spend that coin, you’d buy the S. Always exceptions of course but I think it will be pretty hard to find that combination.
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We're talking 718, though. They're too new to be available used yet, so they're all going to be special ordered at this point. If they remain classed well, resale value will likely stay high for those unicorns, too.
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Originally Posted by DavidNJ100
It looks like a 718 Boxster in A/Street. My question: is an A/Street legal Boxster allowed to have PDK, PASM, Torque-vectoring LSD, and Sport Chrono with launch control?
Any of the factory configurable options are ok, unless they're specifically called out as not allowed (like the factory lowering kit on Camaros.)

Edit: Deleted wheel talk due to below post.

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Any of the factory configurable options are ok, unless they're specifically called out as not allowed (like the factory lowering kit on Camaros.)

Don't forget the big wheels, probably the single most important thing. Since they're line item options, you don't have to actually order them on a car, most everyone will actually use the +/-1" allowance to drop to aftermarket lightweight 19x8.5/19x11.5.
No way the 19x11.5 with a ET76 is going to fit on the rear of a 718. I am running 19x11 ET50 and it requires a 7mm spacer to clear the toe link.

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No way the 19x11.5 with a ET76 is going to fit on the rear of a 718. I am running 19x11 ET50 and it requires a 7mm spacer to clear the toe link.
Thanks for the info, my post edited. I would assume the same (spacer needed for 19x11 ET50) applies to the 981 too?
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Originally Posted by burglar
Thanks for the info, my post edited. I would assume the same (spacer needed for 19x11 ET50) applies to the 981 too?
I looks like an web designer error, directly copying the wheel descriptions from the 911 configurator into the cayman and boxster config.
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Originally Posted by burglar
Thanks for the info, my post edited. I would assume the same (spacer needed for 19x11 ET50) applies to the 981 too?

Yes the rears are the same. With the 19x11"ET50 a 5mm spacer will clear the toe link but it rubs just a little on the barrel on hard cornering. Also the 5mm leaves very little clearance on the strut before it would rub. This is with 275/30 19 RE-71R which are stretched on the 11" rears. Running the presumably legal 19" 10.5" rear rim you might still need to run a 5mm spacer to clear the toe link for insurance.

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In street class, the diameter can be +/- 1", the offset can be 7mm wider, but the width can't change. My guess is the OEM 18" sizes would be best for a car driven to the events. People have gone to 255/285 instead of 235/265. If I understand correctly, the 718 has limited negative front camber, less than -1°.

However, the PDK should be a major advantage over manually shifted competitors. 2nd gear is tall enough that there are few places the 2-3 shift is probably an issue. However, it should make the 1-2 shift much easier than a manual.

Even more so, the PDK should make left foot braking much easier, especially where the 2-1 downshift is needed.

I doubt if PASM itself would be better than racing shocks. PTV might be helpful, especially the LSD. Launch control would also help.

Yes, most people adding $10k in performance options would not be getting the base model. But this base model is only a hair slower than a 911 Turbo was 12 years ago and, at least for now, slots in to A/Street.

The bigger question is not if it ends up with a $70k MSRP...but does it end up with an $80k-$90k MSRP with interior and luxury upgrades. Even LED headlights are over $2k.

Originally I went down this track looking at possible replacements for my S2000. For B/Street, it has -1.7° camber, a monster front bar, Torsen diff. Bouncing off the rev limiter instead of doing a 2-3 shift is common. Optioned to be equal, the 718 is about $61 MSRP. With just the performance, about $70k. Add just a few luxury items (headlights, leather trim, etc.) and it becomes over $80k.

The only equivalent is maybe a B/Street BMW M2?
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Originally Posted by DavidNJ100
I doubt if PASM itself would be better than racing shocks.
The PASM shocks probably aren't better than high-end monotubes, but the PASM shocks plus the lower and stiffer (?) springs that come with them are likely better than the base springs wrapped around high-end shocks.

If you really want to go nuts, you could get PASM then replace the stock PASM shocks with high-end ones.
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I've been considering a 718 for AS and there is a unicorn with PTV, PASM, Chrono and PDK here in Scottsdale, AZ. Been there for many months.

https://www.porschenorthscottsdale.c...-17935611.html
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Originally Posted by suprajayaz
I've been considering a 718 for AS and there is a unicorn with PTV, PASM, Chrono and PDK here in Scottsdale, AZ. Been there for many months.

https://www.porschenorthscottsdale.c...-17935611.html
Why not order one? That one has a fairly random set of other options. Doesn't have slightly more supportive sports seats, smaller diameter GT wheel, or multifunction wheel. From driving other cars, coming back in the evening/night from an event LED lights and adaptive cruise would nice. I think the 19" wheels are probably a disadvantage.

If I was ordering...I thinking GT Silver with the Leather Interior in Black/Dark Silver with Sport-Tex Seat Centers. That looks a lot like the GTS interior with the leather dash and deviated color stitching. The fabric seat centers may be more comfortable on a hot afternoon, getting into a car that has been baking in the sun while wearing shorts. Even more so for my wife. It doesn't come with an embossment on the headrest like the GTS, but the Porsche crest is available. Many years ago it seemed like all Porsches came with the crest on the seats.

BTW, you also have a Supra? I have a '94 TT, purchased new in 11/94.
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Apparently, I ordered a 718 Cayman Base unicorn to run in AS.

Here's my build: http://www.porsche-code.com/PKLXTW44

I got PASM because it lowers the ride height 10mm.

The wheel sizes listed on the configurator for MY 2019 are wrong. The widest wheels are 20x8.5 ET57 fronts and 20x10.5 ET47 rears for the "Carrera Sport" and "911 Turbo" wheel styles. You can see the actual sizes on the Techquipment accessories finder for the 718.

I plan to run 19x8.5 ET50 and 19x10.5 ET40 with 255s in front. I'm not sure what I'll run on the rears yet. I've heard 305s can fit, but that would be a lot more tire in the back vs the front. I'll probably end up with 285s unless Bridgestone starts to offer the RE71R in 295s in a 19in diameter.
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That sounds like a great combination...and the color selection is excellent.

It says the Carrera Sport are has 11.5" wide rears. with 245/305 tires. Does Porsche change the springs/anti-roll bars to compensate for the big difference in width from stock (60mm vs 30mm)?

I think it may very hard (really impossible) to find fast tires in a 20" size for the 718. There is some selection in 19". I thought people squeezed 265 widths on the front rims. The limited range of negative camber may give an advantage to 18" tires because of their taller sidewall. Without the camber and stiffness to keep them planted is it possible wider...especially when considering over 11" wide tires...is no longer the dominant issue? As far as I can tell the only choice is going to be the Bridgestone RE71r.

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