burglar

Here's how I see it, change my mind. Street and ST only considered.

Legit proven competitive for a National Championship:
SSR - 996 & 997 GT3 (note new cars in SSR may be advancing)
SS - 991 GT3 & Cayman GT4
AS - 718 Base
BS - 987.1S

On paper highly competitive, but unproven:
STU - 987.2S
SSR - 718S / 718GTS

Likely not competitive for an overall win but maybe not a hopeless endeavor for a trophy:
CS - 986S
STR - 986S
SSR - 991.2
SS - 718S / 718GTS, 991.2
AS - 981 base, 987.2S
BS - 987.2 Base

Bad ideas that could be fun, but still bad ideas:
BS - Macan
FS - Panamera
STU - 981 base on short tires to improve the gearing

All other Porsches are hopeless. Though "991 Turbo" in listing SS could sneak something in, though it conflicts with "911 turbo AWD (NOC)" on the exclusion list. Did I miss anything or do I have anything all wrong?

PedalFaster

There's a huge gap between "competitive for a national championship" and "maybe not a hopeless endeavor for a trophy".

I think the 997.2 GT3, 997.1 GT3, and 996 GT3 should be slotted into an in-between category, "Reasonably competitive, but not one of the cars to have", for SS. All of these are proven winners in SSR and/or the old Super Stock, and on paper at least there's very little daylight between them and a GT4 (which, based on what I've seen this year, I'd also put into the "reasonably competitive", not the "legit proven competitive" one).

I'd argue that many/most of the rest of the cars classified in Street fall into the "maybe not a hopeless endeavor for a trophy" category since there are often seconds between the winner and the last trophy.

chriswd62

See my additions in red.

Likely not competitive for an overall win but maybe not a hopeless endeavor for a trophy:
CS - 986S
STR - 986S
SSR - 991.2
SS - 718S / 718GTS, 991.2
AS - 981 Base, 987.2 S
BS - 987.2 Base

burglar

After I hit send I re read my post and almost went to edit it immediately. But I couldn't think of a better way to make the categories. I'm open to renaming the categories, or maybe giving them grades.

Talent pool also has an effect. SSR for instance, you have to have the right car, be a godly driver, and also have the gods shining upon you for two days to win.

In CP if you show up and have a car that's capable of making one run per day for two consecutive days without breaking and you've got a shot at a jacket. (Tongue in cheek, of course.

sjfehr

2nding this. I like to think I'm a good driver, but I'm definitely not an alien, and I managed to drive a mid-trophy-level pace in my 987.2S on the East course (8/60) at nats last year. I unfortunately coned that run away and boned West completely, but it's clearly not hopeless for a trophy. The Z06s would have to REALLY bone it to have any chance for a national championship win, though. I don't think a Tour/Pro win is completely out of the question on a Porsche-friendly course.

Drew_K

sjfehr

I think it'll be course dependent. Should be close enough to be competitive regionally, but it'll be at a disadvantage nationally; C5 Z06 will destroy it on sweeper-heavy courses, and C6 Z06 on power courses. I think I'd rather drive a 981S in AS than a Z06, though. Not because it's competitive, but because it's a car I'm excited about and genuinely want to drive it and it's not totally buried. I don't go to nationals expecting to win anyway, I go for the party!

burglar

Is the 981S proposed to go to AS? Did I miss that?

chriswd62

Yes. And the 981 base to go to BS. I think they both could be competitive with the right options list.

From February 2018 Fastrack:

"The SAC is requesting member feedback on the following proposal:
Move from AS to BS
Porsche
Boxster (non-GTS, non-S, non-Spyder) (2013-16)
Cayman (non-GT4, non-GTS, non-R, non-S) (2013-16)

The SAC would like member feedback on the following change to Appendix A:
Move from SS to AS
Porsche
Boxster S, GTS (981 chassis) (2013-16)
Cayman S, GTS (981 chassis) (2013-16)"

steguis

The 981 to BS is kind of interesting. It has a bit more power but is a bigger car and that's definitely not always better especially when negotiating slaloms.

PedalFaster

steguis

Oh you're right. I was looking at the wrong figures. I guess it's only advantage is that it's lighter and is a stiffer chassis which could be helpful but I don't think it's going to be killer unless it can also fit wider tires.

chriswd62

85Gold

981 Base should be able to get more front camber than a 987 FWIW.

Peter

Sprockett

On paper highly competitive, but unproven:
SSR - GT4?