PCCB Brake Pads
#1
Racer
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PCCB Brake Pads
Hey guys,
I'm about to buy the parts for doing a brake pad replacement and I got a quote from Porsche and it was surprising to say the least
My understanding was that you'd buy the pads and then the wear indicators too. Then when I did more research, people were saying that they didn't buy the wear indicators because the rule of thumb is changing your pads at 50% so they typically don't have the indicators connected. So that left me with just pads which was going to be around $700-$800 but what are these "As Damping Panel" and why do I need 18 of them? Are they necessary or can I just do 4 brake pads?
I'm about to buy the parts for doing a brake pad replacement and I got a quote from Porsche and it was surprising to say the least
My understanding was that you'd buy the pads and then the wear indicators too. Then when I did more research, people were saying that they didn't buy the wear indicators because the rule of thumb is changing your pads at 50% so they typically don't have the indicators connected. So that left me with just pads which was going to be around $700-$800 but what are these "As Damping Panel" and why do I need 18 of them? Are they necessary or can I just do 4 brake pads?
#2
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I dont have PCCBs, but if they are similar to steel brakes the damping panel is what the brake pad sticks to; it then sticks into the caliper.
On my steelies I just used a spatula to carefully peel it away from the old pad and then stuck it on to the new pad. On steel brakes I cant see a need to replace these unless you just really want to. Not sure if they would have any different characteristics on PCCBs..
Good luck..
On my steelies I just used a spatula to carefully peel it away from the old pad and then stuck it on to the new pad. On steel brakes I cant see a need to replace these unless you just really want to. Not sure if they would have any different characteristics on PCCBs..
Good luck..
#4
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http://www.sonnenporscheoemparts.com/
ALso, looking at the dampers, it looks like there is one per piston on the front calipers.. I would imagine you can just pop it out and re-use them.
#5
Racer
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Ordered just the brake pads and it was a "cheap" $877.45 out the door ($797.10 4 pads, $14.59 shipping, $65.76 tax).
I've never done a brake job before but plan to follow this video as it seems pretty straight forward.
If you guys have any tips/tricks, open to hearing it all!
I've never done a brake job before but plan to follow this video as it seems pretty straight forward.
If you guys have any tips/tricks, open to hearing it all!
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Tarett make a stud kit to avoid the risk of stripping the uprights (which has happened to mine on one corner). I'm intending to get this so I can easily swap track pads in and out.
http://www.tarett.com/items/986-987-...csk-detail.htm
http://www.tarett.com/items/986-987-...csk-detail.htm
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Yes, unlike a 996 the 997 required unbolting the caliper. Once free it's pretty easy to slip the old out and new pads in, just mind the sensors.
Be very careful, if you've never done a brake job before it's easy to damage the rotor.
Be very careful, if you've never done a brake job before it's easy to damage the rotor.
#10
Racer
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Thanks for the tips! Anymore are appreciated
#11
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I did brake job on all four corners on my car last year. I 'm embarrassed to say that I spent almost as much time trying to get the wear sensors in place as I did changing out pads!
#12
Racer
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So I spoke to a local shop just to see what they are quoting. They said it'd take about 1.25 hour per axel at $163 an hour so looking at around $400ish. I told him I have the pads and he asked if I had the wear sensors, bolts and dampers. I asked if you could go about just using the old ones and he recommended the parts.
He said the wear sensors will always break when pulling them out, so I'll need to replace them.
He said per Porsche specs, you should replace the caliper bolt due to their high torque
He didn't really say much on the dampers, but I've seen plenty of people re-use them
In my opinion, if I'm not even going to be using the sensors, are they necessary to buy brand new ones? I'll look into the caliper bolts.
He said the wear sensors will always break when pulling them out, so I'll need to replace them.
He said per Porsche specs, you should replace the caliper bolt due to their high torque
He didn't really say much on the dampers, but I've seen plenty of people re-use them
In my opinion, if I'm not even going to be using the sensors, are they necessary to buy brand new ones? I'll look into the caliper bolts.
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When I went thru this exercise last year for the rear brakes on my non-PCCB car, I bought genuine Porsche pads and caliper bolts. I was okay going aftermarket on the wear sensors.. Once you look at them closely you realise there is not much to them.. I got mine from Amazon for about half of what Porsche wanted.
If I had to do it over again, I'd prob skip replacing the wear sensors (I managed to get mine out without damaging them?) and just re-use the old ones. I *did* replace the caliper bolt, and I reused the dampers.
Good luck.
If I had to do it over again, I'd prob skip replacing the wear sensors (I managed to get mine out without damaging them?) and just re-use the old ones. I *did* replace the caliper bolt, and I reused the dampers.
Good luck.
#14
What are people's thoughts on not reinstalling front dampers?
In the workshop manual it says:
"With the introduction of modified brake pads - Pagid P40-3 - the brake-piston damping plates are no longer used." -- Source
"Do not fit brake-piston damping plates if you are using the modified brake pads (Pagid P40-3)!" -- Source
My pads come in tomorrow, installing over the weekend. I also purchased the bolts and the threaded rods to safely install the rims without damaging the rotors. Thanks for the tip on Sonnen, so far they have been a pleasure to deal with .
In the workshop manual it says:
"With the introduction of modified brake pads - Pagid P40-3 - the brake-piston damping plates are no longer used." -- Source
"Do not fit brake-piston damping plates if you are using the modified brake pads (Pagid P40-3)!" -- Source
My pads come in tomorrow, installing over the weekend. I also purchased the bolts and the threaded rods to safely install the rims without damaging the rotors. Thanks for the tip on Sonnen, so far they have been a pleasure to deal with .
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^Some pads (aftermarket Hawk for example) have no provision for the dampers so you don't use them. All they do is prevent squeal, and there are lots of ways to do that.