Oppiefive

Have been on the hunt for a 997.1 MT. Recently came across a 997.2MT coupe.
Seems to be a rare bird, is missing the Mezger engine, but otherwise seems to be an interesting combination.

Need some input from the board 997.1 MT vs 997.2MT


Thanks for all your help



Peter

Feld

That is exactly what I ended up with, advantages are DFI engine 500HP output vs. 480. Also more torque don't remember the difference. Some refinements to the interior newer PCM, LED taillights. There are some more small differences like exhaust tip diameter. It is the last of the 997 and so far a great car, I like the manual but I don't have much time in mine yet so there are probably much more experienced owners who can chime in. Resale value should also be decent since they are rare in 6 speed.

Kevin

This is my opinion. For the collector, the 2009 997.1TT will increase in value as time goes on. Folks will be wanting and looking for the last of the Mezger engine.

At the same time the 6 speed manual 3.8 is a rare Unicorn.. I don't think that it will top the long term 2009 collector pricing.

And then there are those that take the newer 997.2TT for the blistering performance with the PDK.

thegrayman

It seems to me that if you want a manual the 997.1 is your car, in my opinion the whole appeal of the 997.2 is the PDK. This is all subjective, but since you're asking for opinions that is mine.

gotgolf52

If I go with 997.2 definitely getting the TTS, it just so much more for the money. Want a manual and loud obnoxious engine noise in the cabin, get 997.1TT.

Dodaleca

Last rehash of the ever ongoing .1 vs .2 discussion (one of them will be the right choice depending on what items are the most important to you personally!):


https://rennlist.com/forums/997-turb...ifference.html

Southpaw

...also no coolant pipe issues. No known common issues on the 3.8 (yet)...of course this can change as they climb in mileage/age but there are numerous in the 60k+ mileage with no common issues appearing.

4ocious

Agree 100%, I just sold my 09 .1 cab 6MT and replaced it with an 11 TTS. There is a wide gap between the two, especially between manual and PDK. I don't have enough seat time yet to post a true comparison but I'm not convinced "yet" that I made the right choice. The 997.1 TT manual is IMO more of a drivers car whereas the 997.2 is better suited for daily use. It's less engaging, more comfortable and smoother than the 997.1.

So at least for now, I agree with Kevin, the 09 997.1 6MT coupe is the car to own and hold now and into the future.

Southpaw

Some people are bringing up future values, one huge factor that influences future values is production numbers. So yes, the 09 and .2 manuals will have an edge based on production numbers alone.

But if you're buying the car for what YOU want (the proper reason IMO) then it's nice to have options. If you want performance and having the faster car from the factory, go for the .2. If you want driver connection over performance, get the .1.

I value both but if I'm looking for driver connection, I wouldn't go for either turbo, I'd look at a GT3 or GT4. I feel the turbo is more of a GT car and have accepted it as that. For driver connection, go for a 997 GT3.

caslca

I always get a kick when i hear these claims of rarity. It isn't all production numbers - its availability. Quick check on autotrader:
07-09 997.1 TT Manual in USA: 52
10-12 997.2 TT Manual in USA: 5

Manual .2 are frankly unicorns and will always be. The 2009 USA (2009 in UK was the DFI model) is a bit nicer than 07/08 but not in any meaningful way - a bit better interior and that's it.

Given similar options, if rarity/value was my main concern, I'd pick the .2 over the .1 every time. Moreover, I can't think of a single way in which the .1 is better (well, unless you want to hit 1000HP)

HellaHashTags

Agree w/ this post above. The answers you'll get on here are pretty predictable. 997.1TT/6MT owners will tell you that the Mezger engine is the best engine ever, despite the well-documented coolant pipe issues. 997.2TT/6MT owners will tell you that their car is the best because it's much rarer and has more power/torque, better suspension, and updated PCM.

Stock-for-stock, the 997.2TT/6MT is arguably a better car than the 997.1TT/6MT, but you won't hear that often on the boards because it's a hard-to-find car and there aren't many 997.2TT/6MT owners out there to defend it. In terms of production volumes, the 997.2TT/6MT falls right in place with the other hard-to-find 6MT Porsche cars, but the 997.1TT/6MT does not.

NA Production Numbers-
997.1TT 6MT: 4,610 units
991.1 911R 6MT: 991 units (planned)
997.1 GT3 6MT: 963 units
997.2 GT3 6MT: 715 units
980 Carrera GT 6MT: 676 units
997.2 GT3RS 6MT: 612 units
997.2TT 6MT: 488 units
997.1 GT3RS 6MT: 453 units
997.1 GT2 6MT: 237 units
997.2 GT3RS4.0 6MT: 158 units
997.2 GT2RS 6MT: 141 units

Source: https://pcnalocator.com/production-997-2-turbo/

HellaHashTags

If you found a 997.2TT/6MT in a spec that you like, you should jump on it! You may never find one like that on the market again.

Southpaw

Yes. Mezger owners have strength in numbers being the most produced between the 996 and 997 so there will always be a lot of owners saying it's the greatest.
...then this snowballs into noobs who are searching and seeing this repeated a million times over by the many owners.
Not taking anything away from it, it's a fantastic engine.
It does have it's advantages from being around for a long time and from the numbers produced though...it's time tested which means it's thoroughly researched and developed by the aftermarket. If you want huge numbers, you have all the options in the world.

As I keep saying, it's nice to have options within the 997 platform.

4ocious

Thanks for posting the link. I was about to ask about TTS production numbers. You saved the day!

TT Surgeon

If you separate out cabs, only about 3000 997.1 6mt coupes, and only about 300 of those '09s. The .2 is rare, but the one to have is the '09 6mt coupe. I remember when the 996tt was touted as arguably the better car than a 993tt...
First world problems.