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06-28-2016, 04:45 PM
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Mikey,
My specialty is product development. My educational background is both engineering and design. The following response is not marketing BS, but rather an explanation on how the industry works. I understand it is not perfect, given I am writing as the vendor here, but I hope it will suffice.
Eibach’s business model is that the product line is expansive in breadth (springs and swaybars for everyone!), but not in depth. They can only spend so much on development of a single product until it is no longer cost effective. A specialist like us is the opposite, we are narrow in our model focus, but our depth of understanding of that specific model is much deeper. However, we don’t want to buy a giant spring machine if we only want to make a couple spring types. If Eibach gets to sell more springs without investing their own dime into additional research, and if we get to produce a specialized spring without buying manufacturing equipment, it’s a win-win for both of us.
I have dozens of examples, but one stands out. I developed a very specific piston design that was perfect for a very specific need. It called for plenty of coatings, an offset dish, and a unique ring package. I contracted the actual production and QC to Mahle Motorsports. The end result was a very specialized piston that cost 2.5x more than the normal mass-produced Mahle Motorsport piston set did for the same application. However, they sold like hot cakes.
A rough list of factors to consider:
- Extra development investment performed by the specialist and supplier (but paid for by the specialist)
- Private label costs
- Smaller production batches
- Potentially different raw material/feature costs
I believe that what people get worried about is that the supplier is simply peeling off the manufacturer’s sticker and slapping their own overtop. It is true that there are a number of unscrupulous aftermarket companies that really do that (I have seen it on this message board more than once). Those types typically shout loud that they are a specialist, but ultimately they do not last for very long. To put it bluntly, they talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk.
Hope that helps,
Andrew Adams
My specialty is product development. My educational background is both engineering and design. The following response is not marketing BS, but rather an explanation on how the industry works. I understand it is not perfect, given I am writing as the vendor here, but I hope it will suffice.
Eibach’s business model is that the product line is expansive in breadth (springs and swaybars for everyone!), but not in depth. They can only spend so much on development of a single product until it is no longer cost effective. A specialist like us is the opposite, we are narrow in our model focus, but our depth of understanding of that specific model is much deeper. However, we don’t want to buy a giant spring machine if we only want to make a couple spring types. If Eibach gets to sell more springs without investing their own dime into additional research, and if we get to produce a specialized spring without buying manufacturing equipment, it’s a win-win for both of us.
I have dozens of examples, but one stands out. I developed a very specific piston design that was perfect for a very specific need. It called for plenty of coatings, an offset dish, and a unique ring package. I contracted the actual production and QC to Mahle Motorsports. The end result was a very specialized piston that cost 2.5x more than the normal mass-produced Mahle Motorsport piston set did for the same application. However, they sold like hot cakes.
A rough list of factors to consider:
- Extra development investment performed by the specialist and supplier (but paid for by the specialist)
- Private label costs
- Smaller production batches
- Potentially different raw material/feature costs
I believe that what people get worried about is that the supplier is simply peeling off the manufacturer’s sticker and slapping their own overtop. It is true that there are a number of unscrupulous aftermarket companies that really do that (I have seen it on this message board more than once). Those types typically shout loud that they are a specialist, but ultimately they do not last for very long. To put it bluntly, they talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk.
Hope that helps,
Andrew Adams
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06-28-2016, 11:10 PM
#17
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Mikey,
My specialty is product development. My educational background is both engineering and design. The following response is not marketing BS, but rather an explanation on how the industry works. I understand it is not perfect, given I am writing as the vendor here, but I hope it will suffice.
Eibach’s business model is that the product line is expansive in breadth (springs and swaybars for everyone!), but not in depth. They can only spend so much on development of a single product until it is no longer cost effective. A specialist like us is the opposite, we are narrow in our model focus, but our depth of understanding of that specific model is much deeper. However, we don’t want to buy a giant spring machine if we only want to make a couple spring types. If Eibach gets to sell more springs without investing their own dime into additional research, and if we get to produce a specialized spring without buying manufacturing equipment, it’s a win-win for both of us.
I have dozens of examples, but one stands out. I developed a very specific piston design that was perfect for a very specific need. It called for plenty of coatings, an offset dish, and a unique ring package. I contracted the actual production and QC to Mahle Motorsports. The end result was a very specialized piston that cost 2.5x more than the normal mass-produced Mahle Motorsport piston set did for the same application. However, they sold like hot cakes.
A rough list of factors to consider:
- Extra development investment performed by the specialist and supplier (but paid for by the specialist)
- Private label costs
- Smaller production batches
- Potentially different raw material/feature costs
I believe that what people get worried about is that the supplier is simply peeling off the manufacturer’s sticker and slapping their own overtop. It is true that there are a number of unscrupulous aftermarket companies that really do that (I have seen it on this message board more than once). Those types typically shout loud that they are a specialist, but ultimately they do not last for very long. To put it bluntly, they talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk.
Hope that helps,
Andrew Adams
My specialty is product development. My educational background is both engineering and design. The following response is not marketing BS, but rather an explanation on how the industry works. I understand it is not perfect, given I am writing as the vendor here, but I hope it will suffice.
Eibach’s business model is that the product line is expansive in breadth (springs and swaybars for everyone!), but not in depth. They can only spend so much on development of a single product until it is no longer cost effective. A specialist like us is the opposite, we are narrow in our model focus, but our depth of understanding of that specific model is much deeper. However, we don’t want to buy a giant spring machine if we only want to make a couple spring types. If Eibach gets to sell more springs without investing their own dime into additional research, and if we get to produce a specialized spring without buying manufacturing equipment, it’s a win-win for both of us.
I have dozens of examples, but one stands out. I developed a very specific piston design that was perfect for a very specific need. It called for plenty of coatings, an offset dish, and a unique ring package. I contracted the actual production and QC to Mahle Motorsports. The end result was a very specialized piston that cost 2.5x more than the normal mass-produced Mahle Motorsport piston set did for the same application. However, they sold like hot cakes.
A rough list of factors to consider:
- Extra development investment performed by the specialist and supplier (but paid for by the specialist)
- Private label costs
- Smaller production batches
- Potentially different raw material/feature costs
I believe that what people get worried about is that the supplier is simply peeling off the manufacturer’s sticker and slapping their own overtop. It is true that there are a number of unscrupulous aftermarket companies that really do that (I have seen it on this message board more than once). Those types typically shout loud that they are a specialist, but ultimately they do not last for very long. To put it bluntly, they talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk.
Hope that helps,
Andrew Adams
AMEN . all it takes is anybody checking spring rate on both, and i'd be willing to bet they arent the same.
07-06-2016, 03:57 PM
#23
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07-06-2016, 05:05 PM
#24
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I've had no issue dialling in the rear toe I wanted with the OEM links? Keen to understand why they need to be changed.
07-07-2016, 02:52 AM
#27
This is from the Tarrett site:
Don't know if this also applies to the usual 20mm drop with springs on the TT
Don't know if this also applies to the usual 20mm drop with springs on the TT
Restore proper suspension geometry with this adjustable lower rear control arm. The factory control arm can’t compensate enough when lowering your 996/997, Cayman or Boxster, leaving you stuck with as much as ½” of toe in. The result is poor handling and rapid tire wear. This kit will provide the additional adjustment needed.
07-07-2016, 04:48 PM
#28
Mikey,
My specialty is product development. My educational background is both engineering and design. The following response is not marketing BS, but rather an explanation on how the industry works. I understand it is not perfect, given I am writing as the vendor here, but I hope it will suffice.
Eibach’s business model is that the product line is expansive in breadth (springs and swaybars for everyone!), but not in depth. They can only spend so much on development of a single product until it is no longer cost effective. A specialist like us is the opposite, we are narrow in our model focus, but our depth of understanding of that specific model is much deeper. However, we don’t want to buy a giant spring machine if we only want to make a couple spring types. If Eibach gets to sell more springs without investing their own dime into additional research, and if we get to produce a specialized spring without buying manufacturing equipment, it’s a win-win for both of us.
I have dozens of examples, but one stands out. I developed a very specific piston design that was perfect for a very specific need. It called for plenty of coatings, an offset dish, and a unique ring package. I contracted the actual production and QC to Mahle Motorsports. The end result was a very specialized piston that cost 2.5x more than the normal mass-produced Mahle Motorsport piston set did for the same application. However, they sold like hot cakes.
A rough list of factors to consider:
- Extra development investment performed by the specialist and supplier (but paid for by the specialist)
- Private label costs
- Smaller production batches
- Potentially different raw material/feature costs
I believe that what people get worried about is that the supplier is simply peeling off the manufacturer’s sticker and slapping their own overtop. It is true that there are a number of unscrupulous aftermarket companies that really do that (I have seen it on this message board more than once). Those types typically shout loud that they are a specialist, but ultimately they do not last for very long. To put it bluntly, they talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk.
Hope that helps,
Andrew Adams
My specialty is product development. My educational background is both engineering and design. The following response is not marketing BS, but rather an explanation on how the industry works. I understand it is not perfect, given I am writing as the vendor here, but I hope it will suffice.
Eibach’s business model is that the product line is expansive in breadth (springs and swaybars for everyone!), but not in depth. They can only spend so much on development of a single product until it is no longer cost effective. A specialist like us is the opposite, we are narrow in our model focus, but our depth of understanding of that specific model is much deeper. However, we don’t want to buy a giant spring machine if we only want to make a couple spring types. If Eibach gets to sell more springs without investing their own dime into additional research, and if we get to produce a specialized spring without buying manufacturing equipment, it’s a win-win for both of us.
I have dozens of examples, but one stands out. I developed a very specific piston design that was perfect for a very specific need. It called for plenty of coatings, an offset dish, and a unique ring package. I contracted the actual production and QC to Mahle Motorsports. The end result was a very specialized piston that cost 2.5x more than the normal mass-produced Mahle Motorsport piston set did for the same application. However, they sold like hot cakes.
A rough list of factors to consider:
- Extra development investment performed by the specialist and supplier (but paid for by the specialist)
- Private label costs
- Smaller production batches
- Potentially different raw material/feature costs
I believe that what people get worried about is that the supplier is simply peeling off the manufacturer’s sticker and slapping their own overtop. It is true that there are a number of unscrupulous aftermarket companies that really do that (I have seen it on this message board more than once). Those types typically shout loud that they are a specialist, but ultimately they do not last for very long. To put it bluntly, they talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk.
Hope that helps,
Andrew Adams
Last edited by atcbi5; 07-07-2016 at 06:23 PM.
07-09-2016, 02:09 PM
#29
^^^subscribed. When I was looking for springs, I called both Eibach and GMG. Only Eibach provided me with spring rates. GMG wouldn't. Not unreasonable for a consumer to know the specs of what they are purchasing. Especially when the product is close to twice the price.
Nice marketing write up from GMG. But unfortunately tells the educated consumer nothing.
Nice marketing write up from GMG. But unfortunately tells the educated consumer nothing.
07-09-2016, 03:18 PM
#30
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