Originally Posted by sidwin
(Post 11908465)
I used to use Lexol too. Until both the leather repair and Lexus engineer explained it to me. They said automobile leather has been treated and painted this helps with water and stain repellent. That's why when the side bolster wears, the only thing that is wearing is the paint/dye. They said untreated leather like a baseball glove absorbs the leather conditioner. While they said easy test is splash a little water on the seat and let a couple of minutes past to see if the water is absorbed. The leather repair shop told me the absolute worse thing for leather is salt from the skin. He said make sure to dry yourself before getting in the car. When I was at his shop he was making seats for a 1960 porsche. Amazing to see the guy work his trade.
One cool trick he showed me was take a lighter and go over your seat threads. The heat will cause the threads to tighten up and look nice by removing the frays. He took a bucket of water with a little bit of soap and cleaned my seats. They looked clean until I saw the water. Thanks - Sid Yea my detailer says similar stuff. Says because the leather is coated there is nothing really that can be done. Too bad porsche doesn't offer a natural leather in black option. |
I wonder if water would help with "impressions" or "dents" in the leather...
My cabriolet has marks on the back of the sport seats where the wind deflector presses against the back of the seats. The seat backs are covered in leather. I've considered water or even hot water as a way to pull these impressions out, but I have no idea if this will work or not... |
Originally Posted by Dennis C
(Post 11908876)
I wonder if water would help with "impressions" or "dents" in the leather...
My cabriolet has marks on the back of the sport seats where the wind deflector presses against the back of the seats. The seat backs are covered in leather. I've considered water or even hot water as a way to pull these impressions out, but I have no idea if this will work or not... |
I'll keep you posted!
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Do not order the seat covers from Porsche. They are $1000 a piece (2 per seat). If you want them recovered go to a reputable high end upholstery shop.. They will use Porsche leather in whatever color you want. I had a quote at place near me that my dealer uses for $1800 for both seats with new foam..
You can also go to the Leatherique website.. They have a cleaner system (2 step) that is supposed to bring your leather back to "like new".. |
Originally Posted by flyjets
(Post 11907824)
Look at replacing the leather from one of the dismantlement places.
Factory leather is very expensive and cost prohibitive for anything large. However there are also places like 911 leather and many aftermarket places that do good work. Ian And I agree with Ian. There are many good places that do great work.. |
Originally Posted by phillipj
(Post 11909110)
Do not order the seat covers from Porsche. They are $1000 a piece (2 per seat). If you want them recovered go to a reputable high end upholstery shop.. They will use Porsche leather in whatever color you want. I had a quote at place near me that my dealer uses for $1800 for both seats with new foam..
You can also go to the Leatherique website.. They have a cleaner system (2 step) that is supposed to bring your leather back to "like new".. |
So is natural leather like the natural grey and brown different somehow?
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Originally Posted by CincyScott
(Post 11909618)
So is natural leather like the natural grey and brown different somehow?
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Got this info some years ago regarding natural leather :
"Leather is a starting point for a car manufacturer. With the base leather, the leather is stretched and the outer layer is sanded off and a new grain is embossed into it to make it more uniform. This increases the porosity of the leather when the outside is sanded off and it accepts color better. However, it doesn't hold up as well unless a sealer is applied. So the "leather" interior is considerably changed from its natural state. It is now thinner, uniform in both grain and color, and sealed against UV and infrared damage from the sun, making it suitable for an automobile use. Since it is stretched thinner you don't notice that it is slightly stiffer. It could be dark black or dark grey according to what the designer wanted. Full leather has nothing to do with what kind of leather is used, although the designer might specify a better grade if their research indicates the consumer expects it with the cost upgrade. Natural leather is not stretched. It is natural thickness and has the natural grain still intact. It is tumble dyed in large drums that constantly roll and knead it to get it to accept the color. This softens it much like you would soften a dry chamois by kneading it. It retains the natural, saddle-like leather smell without adding synthetic aromas. The comfort, if you took the time to compare it, is obvious to the educated rear end. Even though less is done to cure leather this way, it is still more expensive since you get fewer square feet of leather out of a hide. The UV and infrared sealants are introduced into the leather while it is tumbling in the dye soaked drums and like the dye, is soaked all the way through the leather rather than added with the sealant. Additional leather options in a Porsche, beyond the full leather option, show the skill and technology that Porsche craftsmen are capable of. For leather air conditioner vents, the leather is stretched almost paper thin to cover the plastic vanes of the outlet. Also, the match between what is leather and what is similar to leather is outstanding by automobile standards." |
Originally Posted by Denis with his turbo
(Post 11909788)
Got this info some years ago regarding natural leather :
"Leather is a starting point for a car manufacturer. With the base leather, the leather is stretched and the outer layer is sanded off and a new grain is embossed into it to make it more uniform. This increases the porosity of the leather when the outside is sanded off and it accepts color better. However, it doesn't hold up as well unless a sealer is applied. So the "leather" interior is considerably changed from its natural state. It is now thinner, uniform in both grain and color, and sealed against UV and infrared damage from the sun, making it suitable for an automobile use. Since it is stretched thinner you don't notice that it is slightly stiffer. It could be dark black or dark grey according to what the designer wanted. Full leather has nothing to do with what kind of leather is used, although the designer might specify a better grade if their research indicates the consumer expects it with the cost upgrade. Natural leather is not stretched. It is natural thickness and has the natural grain still intact. It is tumble dyed in large drums that constantly roll and knead it to get it to accept the color. This softens it much like you would soften a dry chamois by kneading it. It retains the natural, saddle-like leather smell without adding synthetic aromas. The comfort, if you took the time to compare it, is obvious to the educated rear end. Even though less is done to cure leather this way, it is still more expensive since you get fewer square feet of leather out of a hide. The UV and infrared sealants are introduced into the leather while it is tumbling in the dye soaked drums and like the dye, is soaked all the way through the leather rather than added with the sealant. Additional leather options in a Porsche, beyond the full leather option, show the skill and technology that Porsche craftsmen are capable of. For leather air conditioner vents, the leather is stretched almost paper thin to cover the plastic vanes of the outlet. Also, the match between what is leather and what is similar to leather is outstanding by automobile standards." |
I had Natural Brown Leather in my 996 C4S. It was beautiful, but I found that it didn't hold up nearly as well as the standard leather in my Cayenne or my 997. It was much more susceptible to stains and dirt, it changed color more readily due to UV exposure and it did fade as it wore on the bolsters. Don't get me wrong, I loved it. However, it didn't hold up as well as that quote above would have you believe.
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Originally Posted by jem7v
(Post 11908564)
Yea my detailer says similar stuff. Says because the leather is coated there is nothing really that can be done. Too bad porsche doesn't offer a natural leather in black option.
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Originally Posted by Dennis C
(Post 11909899)
However, it didn't hold up as well as that quote above would have you believe.
Originally Posted by Boeing 717
(Post 11911367)
They did, natural grey is basically black.
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Originally Posted by Denis with his turbo
(Post 11911480)
I have a different expierence.
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