John D.

My, my, my....

Could your credibility sink any lower then it was? I didn't think it could - but - I was wrong?....

I certainly hope what you espouse as "fact" about Fabspeed - or ANY vendor - is better researched than this comment?

But I suppose it isn't. Well, here you go, Leo...

I don't have any sponsors - nor do I get paid for coming into topics any longer? Nor could I possibly "issue you a "refound (sic)""..??

You see -

I just hang around to ensure that the community is what I originally envisioned... Which is simply a community where:

- Diverse opinions can be expressed and shared while at the same time;

- No one has a hidden agenda and can discuss in a mature fashion any vendor and any product - without resorting bashing and "school yard bully" tactics.

Want to guess where you fell off the back end of that truck?

Have a great evening - and again - thanks for playing,

John D.

Bob Rouleau

Art, there are indeed posts about droning from the EP1 and EP2 - check out posts by "aminewyork as I recall. He had drone with his EP2 installed an EP1 and finally went back to EP2 because he loved the sound and figured he could live with the drone based on how and where he drove.

Regards,

aa909

Hi Bob

I'm familiar with that thread. And besides the OP in that thread, where are the "several" examples of EP owners claiming droning problems per Joe's claim? Everyone in the thread understands the EP2 drones per Europipes own marketing materials, there's no revelation there.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I don't know Joe or Leo, but I don't like seeing blatant double standards. So let's be honest, fabspeed's attempt here is to undermine their competition and Rennlist risks losing some credibility here if they allow that to continue without holding them accountable.

Best,
Art

moacur

Exactly, This is all getting so turned around now with missing posts in this thread and useless posts from companies trying to save face talking about their families and things that are completely irrelevant. It really boils down to Joes video and his bs about being made in America and his ridiculous x-rays and other bs . All anyone wants is for him to come clean, since we all know that 80% of his stuff is not "made in house or America" regardless of what equipment he owns, how big his staff is or how many kids he has

That's all fine and dandy, if he's so sure about what he is saying in the original video, why doesn't he post all the x-rays of the EP exhaust that he is so proud to show all of us how much better and different his in house, American made Fabspeed stuff is. Things just don't make sense and it seems like some people are being singled out here as the bad guy, when it is actually probably more truth then not?

John D.

Hi moacur.!

You are exactly right.. So - let me step in for a bt, as there are about ten things going on in this thread? So... Here is what I'm seeing...

First - about Fabspeed making products offshore...? It's old "news". It was posted on Rennlist years ago - but, someone posted it as "new news" to try to incite a riot. I'll take that hit that it should have probably been deleted originally as an "Enzo"...

Second - we had a user who was banned, posting from the same IP, registering another account simply to post a ridiculous picture - just to try to throw gas on the embers, hopefully to ignite the thread again. Such is a forum - sometimes it works, but - mostly - it fails

Third - this thread is replete with a bunch of "deleted posts"? Why? Frankly - those that were deleted were simply an attempt to placate and substaintiate point number 2, which were made from a former user of this site trying to incite the crowd - again, and again. They really didn't add much value, except to vindicate his actions.

Fourth - the video I think you are referring to still stands in another thread? This thread is/was about where Fabspeed products are sourced - or their parts - or.. Well - something..?

Fifth - there are a couple of Fabspeed folks who have posted in this thread - and I did NOT delete their posts. Why? Simply because a couple of folks have posted here in this thread asking for contact to reconcile some outstanding issues. Hopefully - all will have the contacts they need in this thread to at least begin communicating. If not - shame on all.

Sixth..?? Well - five points is probably enough right now

Best to you - and I can't argue with a single thing you posted... While I'd love to believe all opinions and views are accounted for in a single thread in a single forum - I also know that will probably never happen.

What I do know is that the actions of a "few" aren't what this forum is all about. I'd rather believe that, like you - life and people are simply straightforward in their intentions.

My thanks and my best,

John D.

Igooz

John/Mod, plenty has been said and lots of casualties here...time to close this thread?

Cuda911

Today I received contact from Joe, so I am hoping to finally get things worked out with Fabspeed in an amicable fashion.

I didn't expect this thread to degenerate the way it did, was just trying one more avenue to get ahold of Fabspeed.

Sincerely,
Mike

James88

So if it wasn't for this thread you may have not had any contact from FS, is that right ?

Spyder34

I recently purchased the Fabspeed Cats and maxflo mufflers through Evan. He always answered my calls or got right back to me with information-- and my order arrived a few days earlier than promised. They look great and will be installed next week. Customer service up to this point has been fine for me-- now looking forward to the sound and a few additional horses.

Domer911

Definitely double-standards at play here. I have no idea who Leo or Speed21 are, other than blustery. (they seem to have that in common with Joe Fabulous). Anyway, there's a bit of tarnish on the site, given the way it seems to favor the conjecture of a sponsor over that of a member.

Personally, I'd prefer any thread get closed by mods that devolves into childish name-calling. A good practice, if you ask me.

My two (uninvited) cents!

John@Fabspeed

Hey guys, this is Dave here at Fabspeed. I haven't had the pleasure of speaking with many of you yet, but I wanted to touch on a couple of points real quick before this thread gets closed.

It seems that a lot of people are still trying to make some big stink about the fact that we import a handful of parts from various vendors around the world. This topic has been covered time and time again, and yet certain individuals continue to try to tarnish our reputation by bringing it up repeatedly on various forums.

We are not ashamed of the fact that we outsource certain parts of our products to vetted and qualified vendors overseas. However, to say that "Fabspeed parts are made in China" is a gross overstatement, and simply isn't true. That would be like saying that Ford is not an American car company because the plastic plugs in the wiring harness are made in China.

The simple fact is that 100% of our research, design, development, engineering, prototyping, and testing is done right here in-house. Once a product is perfected and ready to be taken to market, we work with our various vendors to figure out the best ways to manufacture the individual components of that particular system. In 85-90% of the cases, we end up actually fabricating the product completely in-house. In some cases, however, there are specialized vendors who are simply better-equipped to make a particular component. For example, we don't have the ability to make catalytic converter cores in-house. So we source those from HJS Germany, the leading manufacturer of cat cores worldwide and widely respected as the best in the industry. The same goes for any other component that we decide to source from other specialized production outfits. We don't simply find the cheapest manufacturer we can and place a big order. We work with trusted vendors who have proven themselves capable of making very high quality pieces from the same materials we use, and who hold themselves to the same standards of quality and construction.

We are as American of a company as any other, and we're very proud of what we do here. I can't speak to anything that has been done or said in the past, but what I can tell you is that we (the employees of Fabspeed) are all very dedicated to what we do, and we make every effort to design and manufacture a fantastic product line at a reasonable price point.

It's been said before, but I will echo it again. We welcome anyone who is interested to come and visit our facility and see first-hand all of our systems being built right here by our skilled and devoted welders, machine operators, and engineers.

I am actually personally in the middle of putting together a "How It's Made" style video of our entire Porsche Twin Turbo Supersport X-Pipe System being fabricated from raw parts and components. I filmed it over the last three days, and should have it together and posted up later today.

In the meantime, you can watch our Ferrari F12 Sport Cats being designed and fabricated here:
I hope this helps to clear up some of the misconceptions. There is nothing that we're trying to hide, and nothing that we're intentionally misrepresenting. When we say that our products are made in the USA, it's because they truly are. Sure, some of them may contain a flange or a resonator or a catalytic converter core that was sourced from another vendor, but the products themselves are USA-designed, USA-developed, USA-tested, and ultimately USA-built.

And I'll mention it one last time for good measure... we love having people visit the shop. So if anyone would like to set something up to come tour the facility, I will personally host you and show you around.

In the meantime, let's all stop the mud-slinging and name calling. We're all here for the same reason: we love cars (Porsches in particular) and we like having a community where we can express ourselves and converse with like-minded enthusiasts. Let's keep that spirit alive.

Cuda911

I suppose that is possible. I hadn't given up all hope yet. At a minimum, I think this thread speeded up getting a response from FS.

If you guys search back on my posts from about June or so of last year when I was buying the Fabspeed Performance Package, you will note that I had a few comments about the poor communication and slow delivery. But, the parts did eventually show up and were very high quality (at least in terms of the fabrication quality), and sound fantastic on my car. I have received many positive comments/compliments on the exhaust system.

I had planned to dyno my car before and after the Fabspeed install to see how my numbers compared to theirs, but due to the slow delivery I ran out of time.

Some companies just are poor at correspondence, but still produce and ship a good product. Personally, I think that's a very poor business model, but I am a pragmatic realist, and understand that different businesses many vary on their priorities.

Anyway, speculation aside, I will be happy to see if Fabspeed will now address and resolve my specific issues.

I will provide an update, whatever the resolution, but will do so in a neutral and factual manner.

Basically, the ball's now in Fabspeed's court to resolve the problems pertaining to my specific issue.

aa909

Dave,

Nice of you to take the time to write up this post, and good to see you guys clearing some things up. But at the end of the day you guys have a lot of damage control to still do.

Until you guys step up and address the claims (some would call them lies) in Joe's video and recent posts, it really discounts everything else you say. If you don't take accountability for making misrepresentations in one area then who's to say we should believe anything you show us in your "marketing" videos or claims you make here regarding what is "made in the USA" vs fabricated elsewhere?

There was a lot of garbage in Joe's video, so tell me why I should believe that what you're showing us in this new marketing video isn't full of the same? That's the challenge you guys face. You can discount what I say, but this is the reality in terms of the perception some of us have. Consider me a proxy for some of your customer. And Good Luck!

- Art

John@Fabspeed

Art,

You make valid points, and I certainly wouldn't "discount" anything you're saying. However, the videos that Joe makes - for better or for worse - should not be taken as the end-all be-all in terms of Fabspeed as a company. Those are his personal findings on competitors' products, and his personal opinion that he is sharing in an effort to educate the market on what is currently available for these cars. I realize that it of course comes across as a bit biased, and may come back as a reflection on the company, but I'd ask that you take them with a grain of salt. Joe is a very enthusiastic and outspoken guy, and he really does mean well, even if the delivery isn't exactly what people are looking for.

To directly address your question about the validity of any current or future videos: The video that I posted above was made by me personally, and there is nothing to "believe" or "not believe". What you are seeing in the F12 video is exactly what took place 25' to my left in the fabrication and engineering shop over the course of about 3 weeks. We brought the car in, removed the factory parts, reverse-engineered them, brought them into our 3D modeling software, CNC-machined new flanges and fittings, mandrel-bent the tubing, fabricated the new cat housings, assembled the final product, installed it, and tested it. That is just one of many products that we now continue to manufacture fully in-house.

I have never personally misrepresented anything to you or anyone else, and you therefore have no reason to doubt anything that I am personally telling you. Your opinions on any other individuals should be reserved for those individuals; don't let them sway your impression of myself or Fabspeed as a whole. I take integrity and honesty very seriously, which is why I chose to address some of this myself.

As I mentioned previously, I am also in the process of putting together a full manufacturing video of our Porsche Twin Turbo system. I was hoping to release it today, but it may end up getting delayed until next week, as I've had to address some other projects today that have prevented me from focusing my full attention on the video. I have over 120 video clips that I've filmed over the past 3-4 days that all need to be compiled into the final video, so it's quite time-intensive.

I am not naive enough to expect people to turn around their opinions overnight. However, I would hope that people are mature enough and open to hearing both sides of every story, and to not just make snap-assumptions based on the biased opinions of a few sour individuals. We have thousands of extremely happy customers and staunch supporters who have been coming back to us for over 20 years. Those people wouldn't feel the way they do or continue to give us their business if we weren't doing right by them and producing a solid product that we're proud of and that we stand behind.

To be perfectly blunt with you, if I didn't truly believe in what we were doing here and I didn't feel that this was an honest and on-the-level organization, I wouldn't be working here. I hold my own reputation and my personal integrity above all else, and I wouldn't put my name behind something that wasn't in line with those values. For whatever that's worth...

- Dave

phillipj

Wowser. Why don't we just put this to bed. It seems that too many people have WAY too much free time on their hands.

If you like FS then great! If you don't great!

This exhaust thing on this forum is right up there with Israel and the Palestinians.

Time to move on. Just my 2 cents but this pointless bashing has been going on for years..

Time to play nice..