John@Fabspeed

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speed21

Thanks for the clip. It was generally informative but I will say Joe didn't do himself any favors and came across as being quite shifty with the repetition and eyes moving all over the place like a dodgy used car salesman. No offense but that's how it looks so don't shoot the messenger ok. You may need to consider a retake to fix that imho.

Anyway, I got the bit about Tubi cats being total crap, makes sense and would answer for what I personally found where that system took power away in the mid range @ 4000rpms upward. Good to know what was actually causing it so thanks to Joe for the explanation there. I can see why a tune was needed to prop up the loss. Now users know why they have to get a tune after.

Now what I didn't quite understand was Joe's mutterings about "Eurohype" assuming he could only be referring to Europipe? Love to hear what Joe was actually trying to say because if he had anything genuinely credible to add about EP's cats then he ought to say it without the need to be tricky. Again that is how it looks. As a user I certainly did not experience any restrictions.

So, what is the real story on the "Eurohype" cats?

kk2

Joe is the owner of a exhaust company, not a QVC host. I think the video was fine and educational.

9LVN_TT

Agreed. Speed21 continuously likes to stir the pot.

Zero Cool

I'm not sure where he is going with the "Eurohype" reference, but he mentions that all the cores for the high end vehicles, including the one he was holding , are made by Emitec. If you look on EP's website, they too are using Emitec cats, so he pretty much confirmed why no one has had any CEL issues with EP exhaust........but still wondering what the "Eurohype" is all about???

speed21

That's pretty obvious. My comments on Joes performance were as a "heads up" only....not for any other reason.

As i said, I found what he had to say was quite informative if not overly repetitious at times and whilst Tubi was squarely in his firing line he got himself carried away basically casting dispersions over "others out there" without being specific to who these "others" actually were, instead of ending it. You see once you start throwing **** publicly at your direct competition you really need to be specific and crystal clear with what your argument is with them, not just select one out as an example and then tar others with the same brush in the process. To me that is just very bad form.

whatever...

Obviously I have pointed something out that doesn't suit you personally. Let me guess, You are a Tubi owner or some other under-performing over-rated droning POS? If so then it may pay for you to take notes on what Joe said. Mind you an Emitec cat could also fail for a number of reasons and it is not as if Joe was specific with exactly why that Tubi cat failed. He just alluded to the fact it had unnecessary obstructions in the way the core was set in the case. Maybe we could have some more clarity on that as well....in fact is in order given the size of the axe he laid into Tubi.

Nor I. I'd love to know though but something tells me it will be "crickets". Throwing crap at competition is very bad form especially without being specific and clear in message. And muttering unclear derogatory comments about another competitor along with being overly repetitive came across (to me) as being a clear bid to disguise the intent of those particular remarks and I would say that is because there was never anything credible to begin with. I assume Joe got himself a bit carried away in the **** throwing exercise and just saw another opportunity to make cheap shot and took it, and hoped others wouldn't notice. Glad you saw it too.

Igooz

I did not watch the video clip. And I do not know what was said, etc...BUT...folks...Fabspeed is a fairly old US shop and has sold a lot of aftermarket parts for a long time...they have an excellent reputation with long term customers or they would not have survived...so be careful which way you steer this thread.

(I am going to repeat what I have said before...). I paid $4,500 and bought a 2-can Tubi. IMHO, waste of money as it did not make my 7TT sound too exciting. Otherwise, it fit really great, no CEL, and I could not tell the difference in power. It is still on the car and it just "ok". I also bought an Akro for my GT2 and I found it too loud and felt like a squid so I got rid of the exhaust and then the car. The guy who bought the Akro loves it... I recently picked up a GT2RS and I am going to leave the exhaust alone.

speed21

Maybe you should then Igooz. Always best to be familiar with the bones of any argument or questioning going on here now.

I find when competitors throw **** at one another there is usually a double edged sword. An owner getting himself personally involved also doesn't allow for any buffer if and when questions are raised over certain claims being made....

Fwiw my tubi also did not throw a CEL, but in stock tune certainly felt muted/dulled in the mid-range upward 4k rpm in comparison to the stock system...no question about that. In so far as fit, that was nothing flash either and a few adjustments were required along the way. Nothing insurmountable but a precision fit it was most certainly not. So I would concur with FS 100% that at the price Tubi charge they should have at the least provided the client with quality to the standard of the OEM system, which they clearly did not, and something that was a precision fit, also which it was not. Performance also dubious at best and sound whilst subjective was very very bland and ordinary..

I acknowledge FS is a longstanding shop and a pioneer of many AM exhaust products....no issue there whatsoever. However, I will say when a business owner becomes personally involved in putting the axe into a competitors product publicly then there needs to be total clarity on all fronts. It is a dangerous game especially if making fleeting vague comments and also altering a competitors name to make fun out it. Needless to add any cat can fail as I said earlier, and whilst Joe explained the differences in the way the Tubi core was retained in comparison to his own there was nothing said at all to clarify why the Tubi cats were actually failing in this car. That would have been in order imho given the tone of the message was indicating the cats had failed due to the pins.

Granted the flow has been impeded with those 4 pins going through the cores, that goes without saying. But did it cause the cats to fail? Well surely FS knows why and should enlighten the members?

In so far as anyone steering the thread goes, it is FS'ds thread, so at this stage in the game the ball is in their court now and as questions have been raised they should explain themselves to the members on the obvious weaknesses in their story now pointed out. Am i as a member to now apologize for asking questions that go to the very core of their key argument? I don't think so.

Chaos

Tubi Tubi Tubi

Zero911

My cargraphic cats according to their website are modified hjs cats so I guess I am fine

speed21

Modified in what way exactly? Maybe they have 8 pins instead of Tubis 4 lol.

I know one thing for sure, this FS expose' on Tubi's cats would not bode well for any of their systems...even the new one for 991tt...yikes! You don't wan't restrictions in the cats! I'd be personally asking CG for the details on what have they done to yours. That maybe one reason why that system drones so badly?

nuclearfishin

I have the complete fabspeed exhaust to include both the x-pipe and muffler bypass pipes. I like to switch between the two depending on what mood I'm in and how loud I want it. I can say with confidence that the fabspeed exhaust has DEFINITELY improved my performance. As some of you know I have made plenty quarter mile passes and am very meticulous about logging my data. I only perform one upgrade at a time and do plenty of runs in between so I know exactly what impact each upgrade has. The exhaust made a difference of .5-.6 seconds in the quarter mile which was about the same improvement I saw when running 110 race gas. Never a CEL and very consistent. I plan on timing my car this Friday with a new IPD plenum installed and will report results here. Objective results. As for Fabspeed, great product which I'm very happy with.

Joe@Fabspeed

Hi it's joe Fabiani the president of fabspeed Motorsport USA.

I will make another video explanation factual documentary Tuesday. Bottom line European tuning exhaust companies often charge 300 % to 400% more than a USA quality company like fabspeed Motorsport and advertise HJS German Emitec catalytic converters BUT are giving out lousy no name generic restrictive catalytic converters!

Often the German, Italian and other European companies truly hope and expect USA exotic car customers to believe in the bull**** logical that an German or Italian exotic must logically and surely respond to a very expensive you get what you pay for exhaust system from Europe since the cars were originally manufactured in Europe.

That European paradim fallacy and overpaying had been going on for 30 years. I remember a shop trying to sell me a RUF Germany catbypass pipe and rear muffler for my 1984 3.2 liter carrera for $4500 complete ............I said no goddamn way........ They said its a German RUF system. Get over it.

speed21

Good. Looking forward to your re take.

And totally agree where any Ruf system is concerned....laughable...a complete utter rip off. Can't understand for the life of me how they charge what they do....and get away with it.

Zero911

Not sure I understand what they modified. But here's an excerpt from Cargraphic's literature on their HJS cats: