mastiffdog

Thank you for your diplomacy. May we end the "comparison" now?

MarkRobinson

If the M5 had AWD, it would have a sub 4 sec 0-60. All I'm saying is that these cars trap about 116-117, same, if not faster, than the Ferrari F550's. 116-117 trap is about normal for a chipped 996tt, which is compared to the new 997TT in overall umph, so I was theorizing.

If you had an M5, you had an earlier version I'm sure: 400hp or an even less powerful E34 model, for which there's absolutely no comparison to any Porsche turbo later than '92.

BTW: in a 40 punch, I absolutely raped a 2000 M5 in my 911 turbo, making about 335rwhp/tq at the time. The guy was shocked. Great expression on his face.

dk996tt

here's my 2 cents - The 997 turbo is the better performer both straight line and in the turns and there's no question about it. I think the extra torque really gives the turbo an edge when it comes to straight line performance 505 lb.ft. vs 383 lb.ft.. I've driven my 997 turbo all week and i it is by far the best Turbo that Porsche has ever made. I just drove the M5 for the first time in a week, and all i could think when i drove it was "this car is so comfortable!" The M5 may be a bit slower, but it's just so much more comfortable to drive, especially everyday. My verdict - M5 is a better choice as the daily driver, the Turbo is the ultimate car in performance that can also legitimately be considered a daily driver!

dk996tt

i would say that the average M5's will trap closer to 112 mph - 114 mph. mine trapped 112 - 113 mph stock. when i removed the charcoal filters, it trapped 115 mph. i have not seen the numbers on the new Turbo yet, but my feeling after driving the car is that it should trap 120+ mph.

CP

Mark,

This is my last post on this subject.

Yes, I had the 2000 M5. Repeated tests had shown that between 0-100 MPH, the E60 M5 is just a tad faster than the E39 M5 (similar torque). 120 up to 185, the E60 walks away (100 more HP, 7 gears).

Auto Car just released the 0-100-0 times for their tests:
E60 M5: 10.25 seconds, 997tt: 8 seconds. That 2.25 seconds is an eternity in these settings.

I guarantee your 911 turbo will rape an E39 M5. My RUF BTR (0-60 in 3.7 seconds) eats my E39 M5 for lunch regularly. M5s (E39 and E60) are excellent cars for what they do. They just can't come close to Porsche turbos, especially on U.S. roads.

CP

MarkRobinson

Have you driven a GT2 before? they trap about 120-121 as well: maybe we should shift the comparison.

Vancouver83LTD

Agreed - butif I lived there that driveway would have big donuts on it - too big and too tempting to resist!

Gilbasa

"Road Superiority" is what the 997 TT will have achieved. It will take the rest of the manufactures time to catch up. The Porsche Turbo has always set benchmark for others to follow. And follow they will, but at what price?

Gilbasa

I think the AWD would slow the M-5 down, not make it quicker. The added weight and resistance would add seconds not tke them off. The reason the GT2 is so much quicker is not only because of the added horspowe, but because it is lighter and has less work to do by only turning two wheels instead of four. The Carrera 4 and Carrera 4S are not as quick as their Carrera and Carrera 2 counterparts.

franki68

I have an m6 which is slighhtly quicker than the m5 and handles better and I would not consider that in the same league as the 997tt..trua above 120mph the m6 or m5 is staggering,but the porsche would be long gone by then..and dont go there on the handling..a standard Carrera S is significantly faster than an m5 or m6 on a twisty road.But the m5 and m6 are saloon and Gt (which do a fair impression of a sports car) respectively the Porsches are Sports cars which can do a reasonable impression of a GT

DM993tt

I was on the track last weekend with the new M5. If I had the $ and need for a sports sedan, no question that's my first pick. But it is not meant to cut up the track like a p-car - it is an autobahn burner - and god bless it for that. I was lapping the new M5 in my 96 993tt on the closed circuit.

In '03, I drove the Gumball3000 Rally from Sf to Miami in a Dinan tweaked 2000 M5 - also a fast car, and it held its own out there with the big boys on the highway, but it is no match 0-60 or on the track for a porsche period- end of story. That said, the '07tt and M5 are pretty much a dream team to have in your driveway, Nice work!

eclou

The sedan to be concerned about regarding road superiority would be a lightly modded E55. There are lots of Kleeman modded E55's out there turning high 10's and low 11's with mountainous torque.

mastiffdog

I was out driving the E55 yesterday, its an 05, bone stock. Had a half a tank and my two sons in the car, both 6 footers. So we had 3 guys in the car, total weight 600lbs. About 90 deg outside, we had the air conditioning on full blast.

A guy pulls up in a new M5, mid-40's type, and he wants to race us. Okay, so I hit the Sport button on the trans. I figure we're gonna get our butts handed to us.

NOT! We stayed right with him from the start and he could not pull away from us. We couldn't believe it, we thought for sure the M5 would have easily beat the E55.

I love the M5's but the E55 is a true beast.

CP

Mastiff,

As discussed before, the E60 M5 (only) has 383 ft lbs of torque. Below 120 MPH, quite a few cars can match up with the M5. The E55 with 516 ft/# torque, will at least stay with the M5, if not beat it, at regular road speeds. What you saw was no surprise.

CP

mastiffdog

With all the hoopla over at the BMW dealership, I would have easily thought my old and now outdated E55 would be a dog against this car. The M5 is a beautiful machine, especially the interiors, very clean and everything looks simple and well placed.