View Poll Results: Have you had a coolant pipe failure on your 997.1TT
Yes, I had a coolant pipe failure on my 997TT
43
27.74%
No, I've not had a coolant pipe failure on my 997TT
94
60.65%
No, I've not had a coolant pipe failure, but I preventatively addressed the issue
18
11.61%
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997.1TT Coolant Pipe Failure Poll
04-18-2018, 03:58 PM
#31
You guys have incredible luck with your 997s being trouble free for many year and x miles. Hell, I baby mine, am OCD about everything yet it feels like every time I drive it something is about to go. Before you know it think I would have replaced almost everything on this car that would blow and it only has 26k miles. I guess peace of mind comes at a cost, if only I can get my mind to now be at peace with the car. Wouldn't have any other car but as others have said, put aside a rainy day allowance as things can get expensive quick.
04-18-2018, 05:27 PM
#32
Instructor
You guys have incredible luck with your 997s being trouble free for many year and x miles. Hell, I baby mine, am OCD about everything yet it feels like every time I drive it something is about to go. Before you know it think I would have replaced almost everything on this car that would blow and it only has 26k miles. I guess peace of mind comes at a cost, if only I can get my mind to now be at peace with the car. Wouldn't have any other car but as others have said, put aside a rainy day allowance as things can get expensive quick.
04-18-2018, 07:11 PM
#33
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Thread Starter
Originally Posted by phsingl
i actually think this is a platform that does not want to be babied. If you’re talking about cosmetics then I get it. Classic lines and pretty to boot so why not keep it looking good (although paint as soft as cheese doesn’t make it easy). Mechanically though I think these cars demand to be wrung out and driven hard. They are not fragile - mine deals with NYC streets all the time - I used to cringe evertime I took it out on the FDR, picking my lines to avoid potholes and metal plates - now I just let the car deal with the surface and focus on enjoying the ride....
Drive it. Maintain it. If it breaks, fix it. Drive it more.
04-19-2018, 11:01 AM
#34
Rennlist Member
Agree with the drive it hard.
Had my pipes pinned at the dealer at 89K miles. Asked for an estimate that included a test drive, once lightly, then again "beat on it" to see if anything breaks. Any problem being for them to do over.
My thinking was, if they do the job right, nothing should break or leak on the second test drive. About 20K miles since the job, with daily boost checks, and nothing broke yet.
Had my pipes pinned at the dealer at 89K miles. Asked for an estimate that included a test drive, once lightly, then again "beat on it" to see if anything breaks. Any problem being for them to do over.
My thinking was, if they do the job right, nothing should break or leak on the second test drive. About 20K miles since the job, with daily boost checks, and nothing broke yet.
04-19-2018, 03:45 PM
#35
Advanced
Thanks TerryAdams,
This is really what I'm trying to determine. Everything rubber is technically a 'wear item'. I've had all fuel lines replaced on every classic I've owned, for example. For this reason, I'm not concerned about determining 'if this problem presents' but rather, what is the right way to address it.
Unlike other known issues with the Non-turbo 997.1 cars, (IMS and bore scoring), the coolant pipe issue is something I'd consider much more easily addressed and it shouldn't impact owner's enjoyment of the chassis, nor buyer's decisions on the purchase. Is the 2009 purchase really ensuring the issue doesn't present? Or, is it only a matter of time? Is it only a matter of time, or will some cars never encounter the failure?
If the 2009 cars with enhanced glue are impervious to the issue, perhaps the enhanced glue is the best option for a fix vs pinning or welding?
Regardless, I thought a poll of total owners would be good to see the overall actual failure rate. Looking forward to more great driving and less coolant pipe talk!
This is really what I'm trying to determine. Everything rubber is technically a 'wear item'. I've had all fuel lines replaced on every classic I've owned, for example. For this reason, I'm not concerned about determining 'if this problem presents' but rather, what is the right way to address it.
Unlike other known issues with the Non-turbo 997.1 cars, (IMS and bore scoring), the coolant pipe issue is something I'd consider much more easily addressed and it shouldn't impact owner's enjoyment of the chassis, nor buyer's decisions on the purchase. Is the 2009 purchase really ensuring the issue doesn't present? Or, is it only a matter of time? Is it only a matter of time, or will some cars never encounter the failure?
If the 2009 cars with enhanced glue are impervious to the issue, perhaps the enhanced glue is the best option for a fix vs pinning or welding?
Regardless, I thought a poll of total owners would be good to see the overall actual failure rate. Looking forward to more great driving and less coolant pipe talk!
04-20-2018, 05:59 PM
#36
Intermediate
Never had this issued but I looked into and I saw these
http://www.torquesolution.com/product-p/ts-por-001.htm
http://www.torquesolution.com/product-p/ts-por-001.htm
04-20-2018, 10:33 PM
#37
I really can't imagine someone letting this minor issue become a decision factor in buying or not buying a 997 turbo.
On the German forums I just don't see people talking about it. Same for the UK forum.
Why this forum and its users are so overly concerned over a few old hoses and glue is really beyond me.
In the life of the car there will be several occasions the engine will need to be removed. So why all the fuss?
On the UK forum someone just wrote:
" Speak to any specialist, they will all tell you to get a 997.1 Turbo manual, its the best and prices are set to go mental, it will happen, could be tomorrow, it could be in a few years, but it will happen. Probably the perfect 911 Turbo, with its mix of all the best bits over many years of 911 R&D.
Ring a few. Trust me.
So much going for the car - drive, power, shape, Kudos, and its legendary engine"
http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t...554cf0a053a721
On the German forums I just don't see people talking about it. Same for the UK forum.
Why this forum and its users are so overly concerned over a few old hoses and glue is really beyond me.
In the life of the car there will be several occasions the engine will need to be removed. So why all the fuss?
On the UK forum someone just wrote:
" Speak to any specialist, they will all tell you to get a 997.1 Turbo manual, its the best and prices are set to go mental, it will happen, could be tomorrow, it could be in a few years, but it will happen. Probably the perfect 911 Turbo, with its mix of all the best bits over many years of 911 R&D.
Ring a few. Trust me.
So much going for the car - drive, power, shape, Kudos, and its legendary engine"
http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t...554cf0a053a721
04-25-2018, 09:05 AM
#39
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
Bump.
So, approximately 1 of 5 have experienced the failure. Interesting stat. No doubt it seems skewed based on the forum participation pool and the interest in the thread. Would like to see more responses to better see what's up.
So, approximately 1 of 5 have experienced the failure. Interesting stat. No doubt it seems skewed based on the forum participation pool and the interest in the thread. Would like to see more responses to better see what's up.
04-26-2018, 05:24 AM
#40
Three Wheelin'
I cannot answer your poll the way it was worded, so not sure how to respond. '07 Car had sharkwerks tubes and was pinned when bought. Cannot say if preventative or if due to failure.
05-18-2018, 11:45 AM
#42
Drifting
Did it just let loose and dump coolant all over your parking spot? On the plus side, at least you were parking and not doing 80mph on the highway.
05-18-2018, 02:12 PM
#43
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05-18-2018, 02:40 PM
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As much as I loved the Mezger and my 6MT, It's peaceful knowing my new to me DFI Turbo S won't have this problem.
Sorry to all that have had to deal with this issue.
Sorry to all that have had to deal with this issue.
05-18-2018, 06:03 PM
#45
Funny thing is that I recently completed an 870 mile road trip to Hersey, PA and back and had no issues whatsoever. Car ran perfectly and I got to take her at speed in a few spots where there were no traffic. Goes to show you that you never know when this sort of stuff will happen. I did not see any warning signs... it just happened...
Your turboS is an amazing car! I will say that even though this is one issue I have to live thru... this is still an amazing car! I knew about this going in so there's no surprises there. It was bound to happen sooner or later. I had a discussion back when I got my car and I was planning to address this weakness and was told there was no point in doing preventive maintenance and to worry about it when it happens... well, it happened and I'm not worried - I'm dealing with it. I came from E46 BMWs where their cooling system was not bullet-proof so I will get over this hurdle and go on enjoying my 997tt. Cross the bridge on to the next hurdle that will eventually come up... either way whatever amount I end up spending on this car it will be worth every penny to me.... I love this car!
Last edited by cakM3; 05-18-2018 at 06:32 PM.
