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Old 03-14-2017, 12:56 AM   #61
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^ now we are talking
btw, i have 31 units of brandnew cup cable. PMNA no long has them. they called me for inventory. if you need one. yiou know where to find me.

i even have cup ****ers!
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Old 03-14-2017, 02:36 AM   #62
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I'm with OP.

991 FTW and in manual 4.0 @ 9000 RPM it will put a 997 4.0 in the corner crying.
Specially the white ones are worthless soon. I know I had 4.

Clunky things. Not even warranty and you might as well buy a real proper 964 hot rod. Pretty much same thing as a 997 GT3.

If anyone wants to call me on the dip later this year, I'll pay a little extra for orange or green RS..

This guy fauked up last weekend! I'll take it off his hand at MSRP for nostalgia sake but no more cause it's *** white with whorehouse red..

http://www.rmsothebys.com/am17/ameli...-rs-40/1701802
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Old 03-14-2017, 03:13 PM   #63
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The breaking news is already sending the older cars down the drain, 997s soon to be worthless: http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cult...a-island-2017/
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Old 03-14-2017, 03:17 PM   #64
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Yep. Auction results don't lie.
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Old 03-14-2017, 06:24 PM   #65
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Am I wrong?

". while its not mezger engine"
Turbo Mezger engine is in the 997.1... but the 997.2 Turbos have the DI motor which is weaker (you can't tune up to 800hp like 997.1). Stock, same result though.

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Old 03-14-2017, 06:26 PM   #66
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997 4.0's are different animals - only 600 in the world, limitedness of this number outweighs everything else (imho).

It's a matter of weighing and then balancing each factor, limited to 600 units is very heavy for the appreciation side of the scale.

Imagine if there were 4000 Enzos made, then 4000 new LaFerraris would drive Enzo prices down. Instead, Enzo remains unaffected by the LaFerrari and continues to appreciate because of exclusivity. With exclusivity, appreciation comes automatically, regardless of any the lack of any discontinued and desirable features (Enzo just has a slower paddle box and an older V12-- not generally desirable). Appreciation based on limitedness is classic economics and the only thing that could lower prices in this case are factors outside the car world that hurt demand, such as economic downturns.

It gets trickier when cars which are not limited start to appreciate because of other factors, like desirable discontinued features or styles -- that's a recipe for bubbles imo -look at 993 (current bubble), and 1964-71 regular 911s (first 911 but failed bubble).


So perhaps then any notion that regular GT3s would appreciate sustainably is misconstrued, only time will tell.

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Old 03-15-2017, 03:27 AM   #67
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RS4.0
7.1RS in orange
GT2RS
all for sale.
make me an offer blackonblack

lord reter. for u i can do special on pumplin
chk your pm. i need shipping address
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:14 AM   #68
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Yeah, the 997 RSs are all worthless now. I hope it keeps on going down so that people can afford one.
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:36 AM   #69
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Turbo Mezger engine is in the 997.1... but the 997.2 Turbos have the DI motor which is weaker (you can't tune up to 800hp like 997.1). Stock, same result though.
This is true. Except, what they put in turbo's is Mezger in case only. No forged crank, lower quality pistons, rods, cams and valves amounts other things. The lower rpm limit on a turbo is part of the clue here.

Turbo's are only in limited numbers, because people didn't buy them, not because Porsche choose to make less. Just like Porschemakes as many GT3's as they can sell. It's just that GT3's are more popular longer term
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:48 AM   #70
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997 4.0's are different animals - only 600 in the world, limitedness of this number outweighs everything else (imho).

It's a matter of weighing and then balancing each factor, limited to 600 units is very heavy for the appreciation side of the scale.

Imagine if there were 4000 Enzos made, then 4000 new LaFerraris would drive Enzo prices down. Instead, Enzo remains unaffected by the LaFerrari and continues to appreciate because of exclusivity. With exclusivity, appreciation comes automatically, regardless of any the lack of any discontinued and desirable features (Enzo just has a slower paddle box and an older V12-- not generally desirable). Appreciation based on limitedness is classic economics and the only thing that could lower prices in this case are factors outside the car world that hurt demand, such as economic downturns.

It gets trickier when cars which are not limited start to appreciate because of other factors, like desirable discontinued features or styles -- that's a recipe for bubbles imo -look at 993 (current bubble), and 1964-71 regular 911s (first 911 but failed bubble).


So perhaps then any notion that regular GT3s would appreciate sustainably is misconstrued, only time will tell.
Your logic is flawed. If low numbers is what drives pricing, 996 GT3's should be worth more than everyone else. 959 imported into the US and half of those are now crashed or dedicated race cars. That makes for a number around or lower than 997 4.0. Low numbers is only part of the story that effects price. Conversely, 991.1 GT3 and RS's were made in numbers greater the 997's GT3 and RS's.

The reality is, each model has its own market and its own pricing influence. Making a prediction on future value of an inherently depreciating item, without considering the full suite of influencing factors unique to that assets value is flawed logic.

Last thing to consider - they won't make anymore 997 and 996 GT3's and everyday there is less of them. There is a factory in Germany still producing 991's (although not at this exact moment in time). With Porsche being part of VW today and VW's operating model to produce as much as possible, I think you can see what the outcome here is.

But the biggest point you miss is driving pleasure. I own 4 GT3/RS's. Everyone of them gives me a feeling when driven that has no influence on value to me personally. Value isn't part of the ownership equation for a true GT3 owner, but is for a speculator. The reason you are not getting any support in this forum is this forum is about driving and owning a GT3/RS, not about how much it's worth.

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PM'ed shipping address. I don't want to pay too much in freight for a cheap car.
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^ now we are talking
btw, i have 31 units of brandnew cup cable. PMNA no long has them. they called me for inventory. if you need one. yiou know where to find me.

i even have cup ****ers!
What is a set of Cup Cables run these days?

Thanks,

JF
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...this forum is about driving and owning a GT3/RS, not about how much it's worth.


Can we close thread now?





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Old 03-16-2017, 03:26 AM   #74
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What is a set of Cup Cables run these days?

Thanks,

JF
$600
and you cannot find them

"The reality is, each model has its own market and its own pricing influence. Making a prediction on future value of an inherently depreciating item, without considering the full suite of influencing factors unique to that assets value is flawed logic.

But the biggest point you miss is driving pleasure. I own 4 GT3/RS's. Everyone of them gives me a feeling when driven that has no influence on value to me personally. Value isn't part of the ownership equation for a true GT3 owner, but is for a speculator. The reason you are not getting any support in this forum is this forum is about driving and owning a GT3/RS, not about how much it's worth. "

ABSOLUTELY ON TARGET
drive orange RS take kid 1 to school then to officde, drive white RS out of office later and pick up kid #2 to go home. then take black RS to dinner. the fun is priceless.
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Old 03-16-2017, 02:27 PM   #75
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^ What? No pastry stops...... Hope wife enjoyed drive to dinner with you....
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