The 997 GT3/RS Cars For Sale Thread...
#3856
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We have a number of buyers on the sidelines ready to pounce on crazy deals, and they're not presenting themselves just yet. They will come, yes. But this is not the worst time in history to sell a car, not by any stretch.
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9872SpeedYellowCS (03-30-2020)
#3857
2009 was far worse. We're not seeing drastic changes in car values at the moment, and we're a few weeks into this. The Aston Martins, Bentleys, AMGs, Corvettes, Lambos and other commodity luxury cars will get hammered, but as with 2009, the good cars in a collectible niche will likely not move much in value. Some, yes. But if you've been watching the RM online results and BaT in the past few weeks, it's almost as if the world is normal. The RSs were on a downward trend already as the speculators had given up on them, so that will likely continue until it hits equilibrium.
We have a number of buyers on the sidelines ready to pounce on crazy deals, and they're not presenting themselves just yet. They will come, yes. But this is not the worst time in history to sell a car, not by any stretch.
We have a number of buyers on the sidelines ready to pounce on crazy deals, and they're not presenting themselves just yet. They will come, yes. But this is not the worst time in history to sell a car, not by any stretch.
#3858
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^^Lol, I got torn up over on BAT for chiming in on that car. Seller so not transparent. Hoping for the best on that car but from what I saw, downloading then expanding the pictures, it was very rough.
#3859
So glad you did. You did nothing wrong and the seller clearly had something to hide. If I was more of an extrovert I probably would have chimed in on that, but I figured that wasn’t going to go anywhere. Those that want to imagine there is nothing wrong with that car can do so, but you pointed out about 20 reasons why I wouldn’t go near that.
#3860
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#3861
Specific one on BAT. RMS is sweating.
Also brake rotors show 1st wear indicator. It's nice but not mint.
Also this corona thing is turning out to be pretty serious.
I'm not surprised it's already at 115. People that buy this car have a price in mind and know the market well. I doubt it goes much higher.
Also brake rotors show 1st wear indicator. It's nice but not mint.
Also this corona thing is turning out to be pretty serious.
I'm not surprised it's already at 115. People that buy this car have a price in mind and know the market well. I doubt it goes much higher.
#3862
2009 was far worse. We're not seeing drastic changes in car values at the moment, and we're a few weeks into this. The Aston Martins, Bentleys, AMGs, Corvettes, Lambos and other commodity luxury cars will get hammered, but as with 2009, the good cars in a collectible niche will likely not move much in value. Some, yes. But if you've been watching the RM online results and BaT in the past few weeks, it's almost as if the world is normal. The RSs were on a downward trend already as the speculators had given up on them, so that will likely continue until it hits equilibrium.
We have a number of buyers on the sidelines ready to pounce on crazy deals, and they're not presenting themselves just yet. They will come, yes. But this is not the worst time in history to sell a car, not by any stretch.
We have a number of buyers on the sidelines ready to pounce on crazy deals, and they're not presenting themselves just yet. They will come, yes. But this is not the worst time in history to sell a car, not by any stretch.
#3863
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That's exactly why these cars will take a bit longer to collapse.... Everyone still wants one, if they become cheap. And thus, like magic, they don't become cheap. They won't be depression-proof, and if it becomes a little more apocalyptic in months to come at GT car wouldn't be a useful asset. You'll want something that you wont have to slow down so much when you're mowing down the looting plebeians. Personally, I don't really care if the value comes down, as I don't have plans to sell. But as it is, if prices fall by 30% or 40% I'll just have even more resolve to keep it. I'm sure others will have a similar feeling.
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#3864
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In my experience all 997 GT3's show evidence of a "sweating" RMS, see the email from Porsche dated 9-Sep-2008, image 241 on the BaT posting, the email explains the design of the RMS relative to engine operation, and why the RMS tends to pass some oil.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-997-1-gt3-rs/
Having said that, the car was fully inspected by Weissach and Porsche in the last 12 months and neither one noted any concern regarding oil leaks/sweating from the RMS.
PCCB wear indicators are typically visible even on brand new Gen 2 PCCB rotors, you can't accurately determine wear on a PCCB rotor simply by visual detection of the wear indicators, refer to the FSM guidelines in the post linked below for how Porsche assesses wear on PCCBs:
https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...ml#post8383479
Assuming that the surface examination of a PCCB rotor does not identify any cause for rejection, general wear on PCCB rotor is to be determined by rotor thickness measurement, this is why the rotor hats have a min rotor thickness stamped right on them.
With respect to the Gen 2 PCCBs found on 997 models, the front/rear rotor measurements are specified by Porsche as follows (New vs. out of spec in mm):
Front: 34/33.5
Rear: 28/27.5
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...ear-limits.pdf
Although I can't tell you exactly what the fronts measured out at when I checked them in the fall of 2019, on my Instagram account there is a picture of a measurement being taken of the rear drivers side rotor, the picture shows a measurement of 28.46mm, well above the minimum specified new rotor thickness, the fronts also measured out above the minimum specified new rotor thickness.
Finally, the car was fully inspected by Weissach and Porsche in the last 12 months and neither one noted any concern regarding PCCB rotor thickness.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-997-1-gt3-rs/
Having said that, the car was fully inspected by Weissach and Porsche in the last 12 months and neither one noted any concern regarding oil leaks/sweating from the RMS.
PCCB wear indicators are typically visible even on brand new Gen 2 PCCB rotors, you can't accurately determine wear on a PCCB rotor simply by visual detection of the wear indicators, refer to the FSM guidelines in the post linked below for how Porsche assesses wear on PCCBs:
https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...ml#post8383479
Assuming that the surface examination of a PCCB rotor does not identify any cause for rejection, general wear on PCCB rotor is to be determined by rotor thickness measurement, this is why the rotor hats have a min rotor thickness stamped right on them.
With respect to the Gen 2 PCCBs found on 997 models, the front/rear rotor measurements are specified by Porsche as follows (New vs. out of spec in mm):
Front: 34/33.5
Rear: 28/27.5
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...ear-limits.pdf
Although I can't tell you exactly what the fronts measured out at when I checked them in the fall of 2019, on my Instagram account there is a picture of a measurement being taken of the rear drivers side rotor, the picture shows a measurement of 28.46mm, well above the minimum specified new rotor thickness, the fronts also measured out above the minimum specified new rotor thickness.
Finally, the car was fully inspected by Weissach and Porsche in the last 12 months and neither one noted any concern regarding PCCB rotor thickness.
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#3865
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Screams gloom & doom while incessantly scrutinizing a forum member's car (I've seen the car in person; it's pristine).
Turns out to be in the market for a .1 RS.
Classic 997 GT3 forum etiquette.
Turns out to be in the market for a .1 RS.
Classic 997 GT3 forum etiquette.
#3866
That's exactly why these cars will take a bit longer to collapse.... Everyone still wants one, if they become cheap. And thus, like magic, they don't become cheap. They won't be depression-proof, and if it becomes a little more apocalyptic in months to come at GT car wouldn't be a useful asset. You'll want something that you wont have to slow down so much when you're mowing down the looting plebeians. Personally, I don't really care if the value comes down, as I don't have plans to sell. But as it is, if prices fall by 30% or 40% I'll just have even more resolve to keep it. I'm sure others will have a similar feeling.
These cars hold there value very well.
In my experience all 997 GT3's show evidence of a "sweating" RMS, see the email from Porsche dated 9-Sep-2008, image 241 on the BaT posting, the email explains the design of the RMS relative to engine operation, and why the RMS tends to pass some oil.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-997-1-gt3-rs/
Having said that, the car was fully inspected by Weissach and Porsche in the last 12 months and neither one noted any concern regarding oil leaks/sweating from the RMS.
PCCB wear indicators are typically visible even on brand new Gen 2 PCCB rotors, you can't accurately determine wear on a PCCB rotor simply by visual detection of the wear indicators, refer to the FSM guidelines in the post linked below for how Porsche assesses wear on PCCBs:
https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...ml#post8383479
Assuming that the surface examination of a PCCB rotor does not identify any cause for rejection, general wear on PCCB rotor is to be determined by rotor thickness measurement, this is why the rotor hats have a min rotor thickness stamped right on them.
With respect to the Gen 2 PCCBs found on 997 models, the front/rear rotor measurements are specified by Porsche as follows (New vs. out of spec in mm):
Front: 34/33.5
Rear: 28/27.5
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...ear-limits.pdf
Although I can't tell you exactly what the fronts measured out at when I checked them in the fall of 2019, on my Instagram account there is a picture of a measurement being taken of the rear drivers side rotor, the picture shows a measurement of 28.46mm, well above the minimum specified new rotor thickness, the fronts also measured out above the minimum specified new rotor thickness.
Finally, the car was fully inspected by Weissach and Porsche in the last 12 months and neither one noted any concern regarding PCCB rotor thickness.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...-997-1-gt3-rs/
Having said that, the car was fully inspected by Weissach and Porsche in the last 12 months and neither one noted any concern regarding oil leaks/sweating from the RMS.
PCCB wear indicators are typically visible even on brand new Gen 2 PCCB rotors, you can't accurately determine wear on a PCCB rotor simply by visual detection of the wear indicators, refer to the FSM guidelines in the post linked below for how Porsche assesses wear on PCCBs:
https://rennlist.com/forums/porsche-...ml#post8383479
Assuming that the surface examination of a PCCB rotor does not identify any cause for rejection, general wear on PCCB rotor is to be determined by rotor thickness measurement, this is why the rotor hats have a min rotor thickness stamped right on them.
With respect to the Gen 2 PCCBs found on 997 models, the front/rear rotor measurements are specified by Porsche as follows (New vs. out of spec in mm):
Front: 34/33.5
Rear: 28/27.5
https://rennlist.com/forums/attachme...ear-limits.pdf
Although I can't tell you exactly what the fronts measured out at when I checked them in the fall of 2019, on my Instagram account there is a picture of a measurement being taken of the rear drivers side rotor, the picture shows a measurement of 28.46mm, well above the minimum specified new rotor thickness, the fronts also measured out above the minimum specified new rotor thickness.
Finally, the car was fully inspected by Weissach and Porsche in the last 12 months and neither one noted any concern regarding PCCB rotor thickness.
Not so sure your etiquette is a great example of how to behave on the 997 forum?
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nochain19 (04-01-2020)
#3867
I will put my guess out there for the Orange 997.1RS on BAT, I am guessing at least $125k, but closer to $130k. Looks like a clean car with solid service history. While the market/COVID19 may effect it a bit, I think if the right people are bidding, it should have no problem getting there.
#3868
That's exactly why these cars will take a bit longer to collapse.... Everyone still wants one, if they become cheap. And thus, like magic, they don't become cheap. They won't be depression-proof, and if it becomes a little more apocalyptic in months to come at GT car wouldn't be a useful asset. You'll want something that you wont have to slow down so much when you're mowing down the looting plebeians. Personally, I don't really care if the value comes down, as I don't have plans to sell. But as it is, if prices fall by 30% or 40% I'll just have even more resolve to keep it. I'm sure others will have a similar feeling.
#3869
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YEP
These cars hold there value very well.
Guys I've owned several GT3s with PCCBs and some with and some without rms issues.
My apologies if I've offended anyone. Didn't mean to scream doom and gloom.
Not so sure your etiquette is a great example of how to behave on the 997 forum?
These cars hold there value very well.
Guys I've owned several GT3s with PCCBs and some with and some without rms issues.
My apologies if I've offended anyone. Didn't mean to scream doom and gloom.
Not so sure your etiquette is a great example of how to behave on the 997 forum?
Members, let it go. We are all on the same team. We got more important things to worry about, like trying to have fun with thee GT3's.
My opinion is that the orange will break 130k. Love that seller though.
#3870