Roll call: Watkins Glen Aug 24-26 PCA Northeast DE
#61
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Grady was behind me from the start. Skip to 10:30ish to see me following Grady.
I forgot how cool WG is!
Thanks for posting.
Whith these point by's you never get into a rythm..
Supersolo and Dave Murry is where to go, followed by Chin passing everywhere with better drivers in the red group and black flags for slow point by's.
No camera behind you in Vbox? Could you put the one in the window behind you instead?
You did not swap gears from they white one yet? 5th and 6th are shorter right? Big difference.
Once you add all the chetar parts and fresh Hoosiers, you will do 2:03's.. Good driving..
Thanks for posting.
Whith these point by's you never get into a rythm..
Supersolo and Dave Murry is where to go, followed by Chin passing everywhere with better drivers in the red group and black flags for slow point by's.
No camera behind you in Vbox? Could you put the one in the window behind you instead?
You did not swap gears from they white one yet? 5th and 6th are shorter right? Big difference.
Once you add all the chetar parts and fresh Hoosiers, you will do 2:03's.. Good driving..
#62
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no, I have not swapped out the 6th gear yet. But wouldn't help at WGI, as you can see the only time I used 6th was for 1 second before the bus stop. Would help at VIR though on back stretch, and at Road America.
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Grady was behind me from the start. Skip to 10:30ish to see me following Grady.
I love seeing Grady drive, tries to make the cars move over revving the engine
You are both very fast, he seems to have a few more revs and perhaps little less bottom end because of 19" taller gearing?
#64
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Grady showed a lot of constraint passing. Did he get talked to before the session LOL.
I love seeing Grady drive, tries to make the cars move over revving the engine
You are both very fast, he seems to have a few more revs and perhaps little less bottom end because of 19" taller gearing?
I love seeing Grady drive, tries to make the cars move over revving the engine
You are both very fast, he seems to have a few more revs and perhaps little less bottom end because of 19" taller gearing?
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@Clarke, this makes it your first ever officially won DE Cup event. Congratulations!
You also get: "2012 Watkins Glen International DE Cup World Series Champion" with a time of 2:05.24
Your Aero Beetle has adjustable sway bars front and rear, use them and you'll go faster.
For hose clamps, go with ABA, 316 Stainless Steel, and tested better than the military spec Ideal and Tridon hose clamps. The Porsche stuff is crappy (same with Fiat). I'm buying a batch of these clamps in the next few days to replace a leaking one from the Cayman, and any other Cayman clamp that could be replaced. Doing the same with the Fiat right after. Better safe than sorry.
You also get: "2012 Watkins Glen International DE Cup World Series Champion" with a time of 2:05.24
Your Aero Beetle has adjustable sway bars front and rear, use them and you'll go faster.
For hose clamps, go with ABA, 316 Stainless Steel, and tested better than the military spec Ideal and Tridon hose clamps. The Porsche stuff is crappy (same with Fiat). I'm buying a batch of these clamps in the next few days to replace a leaking one from the Cayman, and any other Cayman clamp that could be replaced. Doing the same with the Fiat right after. Better safe than sorry.
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Clarke, something doesn't look right with your speeds before the bus stop. My old 996 GT3 (stock engine/trans 100 lbs lighter than stock) back in 2005 without the go-fast mods, on 265/335 MPSC (they don't make the 335x18 MPSC anymore), 153 mph indicated with an instructor onboard, and 156mph driving solo (148 mph and 151mph corrected for speedo error and taller rear tires). My friend Carlos gets to 141 mph actual speed in a Cayman (295Hp) on R6.
I believe you're not driving T2/T3/T4 like Trakcar: FlatOut.
I believe you're not driving T2/T3/T4 like Trakcar: FlatOut.
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Clarke, something doesn't look right with your speeds before the bus stop. My old 996 GT3 (stock engine/trans 100 lbs lighter than stock) back in 2005 without the go-fast mods, on 265/335 MPSC (they don't make the 335x18 MPSC anymore), 153 mph indicated with an instructor onboard, and 156mph driving solo (148 mph and 151mph corrected for speedo error and taller rear tires). My friend Carlos gets to 141 mph actual speed in a Cayman (295Hp) on R6.
I believe you're not driving T2/T3/T4 like Trakcar: FlatOut.
I believe you're not driving T2/T3/T4 like Trakcar: FlatOut.
- look at his video at the bottom of the esses - it stops climbing for a bit so likely not flat at the bottom
what is very high however is his entry speed over the first and second turtles into the bus stop - 10mph higher than most - most cars are 82mph - clarke goes over turtle #1 completely at 95
#69
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Here is a quote from that region promoting this event at WGI:
"The Open Track sessions will be run with Driver's Education rules, however, there will be open passing with a signal anywhere the track is straight."
Sorry, that is not OPEN PASSING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OPEN PASSING is 1) no signals of any kind, 2) pass anywhere, anytime. The only DE that I know of that does it is PBOC SuperSolo.
#70
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- he is using shorter 18s (about 4-5% shorter if that matters - not sure where the speed data is coming from)
- look at his video at the bottom of the esses - it stops climbing for a bit so likely not flat at the bottom
what is very high however is his entry speed over the first and second turtles into the bus stop - 10mph higher than most - most cars are 82mph - clarke goes over turtle #1 completely at 95
- look at his video at the bottom of the esses - it stops climbing for a bit so likely not flat at the bottom
what is very high however is his entry speed over the first and second turtles into the bus stop - 10mph higher than most - most cars are 82mph - clarke goes over turtle #1 completely at 95
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nasa runs real open passing event for group4 drivers, with 'optional but recommended point-by signal'. there are also time trials. as of how HVR treats their open passing event you can check with Lou from HVR. LDauerer(AT) aol.com
Last edited by utkinpol; 08-28-2012 at 02:55 PM.
#72
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nasa runs real open passing event for group4 drivers, with 'optional but recommended point-by signal'. there are also time trials. as of how HVR treats their open passing event you can check with Lou from HVR. LDauerer(AT) aol.com
PCA is a PCA, it is all about safety for all participants, it is a given. in some other clubs you would get black flagged for how you drove there, based on the video i see (as they have very flexible 'aggressive driver' definitions), so, if NER did let you finish this event i guess they were fine. scale has to be adjusted to what it is and it is simpler to comply than to object. to bitch about it or not will not change anything, it is how any east coast pca club works.
PCA is a PCA, it is all about safety for all participants, it is a given. in some other clubs you would get black flagged for how you drove there, based on the video i see (as they have very flexible 'aggressive driver' definitions), so, if NER did let you finish this event i guess they were fine. scale has to be adjusted to what it is and it is simpler to comply than to object. to bitch about it or not will not change anything, it is how any east coast pca club works.
Yes, all PCA events have that "beginner" style, nanny type rules. How they interpret the rules on track and then further add more rules is up to them. PCA-NE is by far the worst I have ever seen. By FAR! (FWIW - I hear that there are a few PCA regions that are way worse than PCA-NE, holy crap!)
And I am not interested in CHANGE, I just alert others who/where the problems [for advanced DE drovers] are and move on.
Last edited by GT3DE; 08-28-2012 at 08:49 PM.
#73
WGI is awsome! Here is the V Box in car with the data working:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/21zxPZTxW6k
http://www.youtube.com/embed/21zxPZTxW6k
Last edited by Red Bear; 08-28-2012 at 10:42 PM. Reason: link was not listed correctly
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PBOC SuperSolo: Open Passing
NASA HPDE-4: Open Passing
NASA TT: Open Passing
Speed Ventures Advanced Group: Open Passing
Chin: Mandatory point-by with passing everywhere
PCA (all chapters - Instructor's Group): Mandatory point-by
PCA (most chapters - Instructor's Group): Mandatory point-by and limited passing zones
Personally, I consider some instructors in PCA Red Group, unsafe, unaware and embarrassing. There should be a program that evaluates the consistency, driving skills, traffic awareness, courtesy on the instructor's group.
I applaud PBOC because they have hired a Coach to monitor the driving level on the Top level groups. Most PCA chapters should learn about this. I get into student cars, and we get stuck behind a car with an instructor on-board for 2 full laps, blind student and blind instructor is unacceptable. Then I run in the PCA Red group and I get amused by the level of unawareness and excessive pride.
It is always good to send email letters to the track chairs at a given event, with constructive criticism and ideas on how to make the experience better.
I like NASA HPDE and their mandatory download meetings. After a track sessions, the HPDE drivers get to a room, and discuss any incidents and issues during the previous track session. For the Time Trials group, the same thing happens during the mandatory impound.
NASA HPDE-4: Open Passing
NASA TT: Open Passing
Speed Ventures Advanced Group: Open Passing
Chin: Mandatory point-by with passing everywhere
PCA (all chapters - Instructor's Group): Mandatory point-by
PCA (most chapters - Instructor's Group): Mandatory point-by and limited passing zones
Personally, I consider some instructors in PCA Red Group, unsafe, unaware and embarrassing. There should be a program that evaluates the consistency, driving skills, traffic awareness, courtesy on the instructor's group.
I applaud PBOC because they have hired a Coach to monitor the driving level on the Top level groups. Most PCA chapters should learn about this. I get into student cars, and we get stuck behind a car with an instructor on-board for 2 full laps, blind student and blind instructor is unacceptable. Then I run in the PCA Red group and I get amused by the level of unawareness and excessive pride.
It is always good to send email letters to the track chairs at a given event, with constructive criticism and ideas on how to make the experience better.
I like NASA HPDE and their mandatory download meetings. After a track sessions, the HPDE drivers get to a room, and discuss any incidents and issues during the previous track session. For the Time Trials group, the same thing happens during the mandatory impound.