Not to early to start thinking of PTS on your upcoming 991 gt3 & RS order!
08-24-2012, 03:42 PM
#61
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
The 'Sport Bucket Seats' are indeed available for the 991 (and 981 too) in many markets but not yet in the US yet. These are the type that fold forward and with side airbags which first appeared in our market on the MY2008 gt2. I know someone at PAG currently working on the design of the new 918 Spyder 'sport bucket seats'. These will have the ability to be adjusted - up & down, rake angle, etc. - which the current 'sport bucket' does not. I doubt this new seat will be seen in the upcoming 991 gt3, gt3 RS, gt2, gt2 RS or Turbo S. They will want to have it exclusive for the 918 for a while before making a version for the 'lesser' models. But that is just my guess.
It would not surprise me if in a market such as Germany that PAG offers the older, simpler, lighter gt seat (no airbag, does not fold) in their upcoming 991 gt models. Since that doesn't meet DOT regulations here, we will probably not see it. Same for the 'plastic' rear windows expected in their gt versions!
The reason that the DOT approved 'Sport Bucket Seats' are not being offered here yet by PCNA in our market is a subject for debate. From personal conversations with many US dealers since they were first offered as an option in MY2009, these buckets were almost universally hated by the sales staff of these establishments! They found them a 'hard sell' and dealers universally dislike anything that makes any car not easy to push out the doors of their salesroom! The model everyone best remembered by them is the MY2009 C4S 'Launch Edition' in 'Meteor Grey'. Most of these cars came equipped with 'Sport Buckets' and many sat there well pass when MY2010 cars arrived at the P-dealers. They were forced to heavily discount them in order to move them out. It left a very bad taste in most dealer's mouths. Subsequently, PCNA mostly only offered the 'Sport Bucket Seats' on their 'sportiest' of US models - the gt's, GTS, Spyders and Cayman R's. When you study for example (as I have) the way dealers ordered their Boxster Spyders vs how customers custom-ordered theirs, you will find that the overwhelming number of Spyders with 'Sport Leather Seats' got those because that is what dealers ordered for their inventory, not the 'Sport Buckets' which the enthusiasts raved about! In general, dealers wanted to hedge their bets and go with 'comfort' above all else to make them easier to sell...or so they thought!
In my opinion, the reason PCNA has not allowed 'sport bucket seats' to be offered here yet is that their US dealer base has NOT asked for them and does NOT want them in regular production models like the 991 & 981. And not enough of you, the sport enthusiast customer, has demanded that they be offered! PCNA will allow the 'sport buckets' to be standard on the gt3's when they arrive, with 'Sport Plus' seats as an option. But unless an aggressive campaign is mounted by the rank & file enthusiast from forum sites such as this one, PCNA will limit our seat options on the regular 991/981 to please their dealer base! Remember that leasing is a big part of how cars are sold today. So dealers will have to deal with the consequences of having 'sport buckets' on a Porsche for sale for years to come ONCE the importer/distributor (PCNA) allows these bucket seats to be ordered by customers and into the pool of cars they sell, trade, re-sell, etc. It is a short sighted position...but it will not change until they are forced to do some by DEMAND from the US customers!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
08-26-2012, 07:05 PM
#62
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
2) Leather Interior Choices - Part 5
Porsche added a few weeks ago option 'XNS' to their PCNA configurator. It is called 'Steering column casing in leather', Option # XNS, for $465. I think this option is very important and I will explain to you why. Without this option, all colored interiors in your 991/981 other than 'Black' will not be as well coordinated since it will come with a dual-tone steering wheel as 'standard'. In the 991/981, the front of the steering wheel is now color coordinated to the interior color (e.g. Luxor Beige, Yachting Blue, Platinum Grey, Carrera Red) and the back of the steering wheel is done in 'black' to coordinate with the adjacent steering column casing done standard in 'Black' plastic. See the first 3 photos below to see what I am talking about!
The steering wheels in the 997/987 models were not as awkward because Porsche did not color-coordinate the front of those steering wheels! For example, in early MY2011, the standard steering wheel was painted a shade of silver and only the leather rim was colored coordinated to your interior. In late MY2011 & MY2012, the standard steering wheel now came painted in 'black' and the leather rim was still colored to your interior (see photo #4), which was an nice look!
With the new 991/981, the standard steering wheel's front is now painted to match your interior, in addition to having the leather rim in that color too! If you order Option 'XNS', Porsche provides you with a beautiful leather casing with stitching so that your steering column can color match your interior's leather color. But that is NOT ALL. It also eliminates the 'black' rear part of your steering wheel since that apparently is also coordinated to the color of your interior and the adjacent leather-covered 'steering column' (see attachment #5 from the configurator in Luxor Beige)! Photo #6 lets you contrast the previous attachment to a 'Luxor Beige' Full leather interior without this 'XNS' leather casing option so you will see in the standard black plastic!
This 'XNS' option is brand new on the 991/981 and I have not seen or yet photographed any cars done with this option. However, I did ordered 'Steering Column Casing in Leather' on my 'Carrera Red' MY2012 Spyder and that is what you will see in the last photo (#7). It is absolutely stunning!
For those ordering a 'Black' or any of the Dual-Tone/BiColor interiors, this 'XNS' option is interesting & beautiful but not necessary! But for anyone that orders the lighter/brighter color interiors like 'Luxor Beige', 'Yachting Blue' or 'Carrera Red', this option is highly recommended in order for you to achieve a blended & more color consistent look in your 991/981 interior! You will also love it simply for the great looking leather & stitching, which is very pronounced! Finally, it's also one of the least expensive 'Porsche Exclusive' leather options that Porsche offers...so take advantage of it!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
The steering wheels in the 997/987 models were not as awkward because Porsche did not color-coordinate the front of those steering wheels! For example, in early MY2011, the standard steering wheel was painted a shade of silver and only the leather rim was colored coordinated to your interior. In late MY2011 & MY2012, the standard steering wheel now came painted in 'black' and the leather rim was still colored to your interior (see photo #4), which was an nice look!
With the new 991/981, the standard steering wheel's front is now painted to match your interior, in addition to having the leather rim in that color too! If you order Option 'XNS', Porsche provides you with a beautiful leather casing with stitching so that your steering column can color match your interior's leather color. But that is NOT ALL. It also eliminates the 'black' rear part of your steering wheel since that apparently is also coordinated to the color of your interior and the adjacent leather-covered 'steering column' (see attachment #5 from the configurator in Luxor Beige)! Photo #6 lets you contrast the previous attachment to a 'Luxor Beige' Full leather interior without this 'XNS' leather casing option so you will see in the standard black plastic!
This 'XNS' option is brand new on the 991/981 and I have not seen or yet photographed any cars done with this option. However, I did ordered 'Steering Column Casing in Leather' on my 'Carrera Red' MY2012 Spyder and that is what you will see in the last photo (#7). It is absolutely stunning!
For those ordering a 'Black' or any of the Dual-Tone/BiColor interiors, this 'XNS' option is interesting & beautiful but not necessary! But for anyone that orders the lighter/brighter color interiors like 'Luxor Beige', 'Yachting Blue' or 'Carrera Red', this option is highly recommended in order for you to achieve a blended & more color consistent look in your 991/981 interior! You will also love it simply for the great looking leather & stitching, which is very pronounced! Finally, it's also one of the least expensive 'Porsche Exclusive' leather options that Porsche offers...so take advantage of it!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
08-28-2012, 02:05 PM
#63
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
2) Leather Interior Choices - Part 6
There was one leather option on the 997/981 which I loved. It was called 'Defroster Trim in Leather', Option #XV1 and it cost only $535. It finished up in leather the portion of the dash normally done in plastic even on the 'Full Leather' interiors! It also provided a wonderful stitching line at the base of the windshield (which was very visible) and covered the central dash speaker with leather and stitching. It was a great deal for $535 and I ordered it on my '12 Spyder! See first two photos - first on a '10 .2 997 gt3 (Larry Cable's) and second on the dash of my '12 Spyder.
In the 991, they get to do this bit in leather again BUT we don't get a bargain anymore! Now there is an option that includes the defroster trim in leather (and a few more items), but it cost a lot! $1710 to be precise. It is option # CZW. It is called the 'Additional Interior Package, Dashboard in Leather'. It is described as follows in the configurator:
Covered in smooth-finish leather in interior color and partly with decorative stitching:
- dashboard end trim
- defroster trim
This option was a delayed availability at the start of 991 production but it's now offered on the configurator (see representation attached, #3 on center right below). CZW combines several parts of the dash covered in leather & stitching. For certain we can see the side (left & right) 'dash speakers/defroster vents' covered in leather and with a border nicely stitched. The center of dash, where there are lots of additional defroster vents and a central speaker - plus the Sport Chrono watch if so optioned- is also covered in leather and stitched around its borders (see last photo). Finally, the end trim of the dashboard is covered in leather on either sides. This very nice but it's something only visible when you open the doors!
As you may surmise, this option is not as great a deal as it was for the 997. There are more dash items covered in leather in this package (e.g. Defroster Air Vents, which were option # CNB for $365 on the 997, are now included) but it doesn't make as compelling an option due to its higher cost. However, if you are concerned with the leather details of your cabin as I am, I would argue it would be worth it. It would also provide an additional & prominent leather surface in your interior to showcase your deviating stitching once it is allowed to be added to these bits (expected later this year). The first two photos are of the 991's leather dash so that you identify how much 'soft touch' painted plastic there is even on a 'full leather' interior! The final 2 photos shows what this CZW option would look like on your dash!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
In the 991, they get to do this bit in leather again BUT we don't get a bargain anymore! Now there is an option that includes the defroster trim in leather (and a few more items), but it cost a lot! $1710 to be precise. It is option # CZW. It is called the 'Additional Interior Package, Dashboard in Leather'. It is described as follows in the configurator:
Covered in smooth-finish leather in interior color and partly with decorative stitching:
- dashboard end trim
- defroster trim
This option was a delayed availability at the start of 991 production but it's now offered on the configurator (see representation attached, #3 on center right below). CZW combines several parts of the dash covered in leather & stitching. For certain we can see the side (left & right) 'dash speakers/defroster vents' covered in leather and with a border nicely stitched. The center of dash, where there are lots of additional defroster vents and a central speaker - plus the Sport Chrono watch if so optioned- is also covered in leather and stitched around its borders (see last photo). Finally, the end trim of the dashboard is covered in leather on either sides. This very nice but it's something only visible when you open the doors!
As you may surmise, this option is not as great a deal as it was for the 997. There are more dash items covered in leather in this package (e.g. Defroster Air Vents, which were option # CNB for $365 on the 997, are now included) but it doesn't make as compelling an option due to its higher cost. However, if you are concerned with the leather details of your cabin as I am, I would argue it would be worth it. It would also provide an additional & prominent leather surface in your interior to showcase your deviating stitching once it is allowed to be added to these bits (expected later this year). The first two photos are of the 991's leather dash so that you identify how much 'soft touch' painted plastic there is even on a 'full leather' interior! The final 2 photos shows what this CZW option would look like on your dash!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Last edited by Z356; 08-31-2012 at 02:07 AM. Reason: Adding photo- thanks 'mcd' for alerting me to the latter!
08-28-2012, 05:56 PM
#64
Nordschleife Master
09-01-2012, 02:18 AM
#65
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Thread Starter
2) Leather Interior Choices - Part 7
A) Two Tone Interiors: Someone from 'Porsche Exclusive' mentioned to me two weeks ago (at the temporary Porsche Zentrum set up at Quail Lodge) that Porsche is about to allow an expanded selection of Bi-Color interiors on their 991 model. For example, they will allow a 'Black/Carrera Red' interior combination for which there is some demand. Currently, that is not easy to do well on the 991, other than the two standard Bi-Color offerings of 'Agate/Pebble Grey' and 'Black/Platinum Grey'. Up to now, a nightmare scenario may occur when folks order a deviating color dash and top of the door trims other than the standard Bi-Colors offerings! Take a look at the attached photo of a 991 Cabriolet with a 'Luxor Beige' interior and deviating leather dash & upper door trims in 'Black' leather. The current ordering system inexplicably allows all the soft-touch plastic parts in the interior to remain 'Luxor Beige', not 'Black' at the appropriate places in the dash (vents/speakers), rear cab shelf area and circular plug on door trim. The results is a visual mismatch of epic proportions!
I feel quite bad for the unsuspecting owner who ordered this cab with high expectations of a beautiful two-tone interior! It also shows that anyone must be careful in what you order from Porsche. PAG will build it as requested by your dealer in the computer order guides, even when it looks like a terrible thing (as in this case). There is no second guessing the customer or a friendly email to dealer asking someone to please reconsider! If that is what you order, we will build it, Jawohl! That is in part why I am doing my threads on Rennlist. So that our forum members know how important it's to pay attention to all details in your order and choose wisely from the multiple options offered by 'Porsche Exclusive'!
B) The new ordering system will soon allow the subcontractors to supply the production line with color coordinated 'soft touch' parts when a customer makes a request for a Bi-Color interior. In the case of the Cabriolet in the attached photo, all the areas surrounding the 'Black' leather dash will be done in soft-touch painted in 'Black'. Same for the other trim pieces in the rear of the cabin. It's really a small change in their order guides which really should have been allowed from day one so that the owner of this 'Luxor Beige' 991 cab should not have had to experienced this abomination!
C) I would still want to know how they will coordinate the Alcantara on a coupe in the case of a Bi-Color customized interior. For example, if you order a full 'Luxor Beige' interior, the headliner and A & B pillars are done in 'Luxor Beige' Alcantara. Will they changed this to 'Black' or 'Charcoal' Alcantara if you order 'Black/Luxor Beige'? Or 'Agate' Alcantara when you chose 'Agate/Luxor Beige'? I would think so.
D) The impetus for all of this change (in my opinion) comes from the complaint of many that the lighter color interiors allow the dash to reflect on the raked windshield and obstruct vision! So PAG is trying to remedy this objection by offering consumers a choice. Personally, I also think it looks quite attractive. I expect to see quite a few 'Black/Carrera Red', 'Black/Luxor Beige' and 'Agate/Luxor Beige' interiors, to name but a few of the options!
E) 'Natural Brown' leather is not offered on the 991 and so far they have not even allow that color interior to be ordered in 'Leather to Sample' on the 991. I will talk about what I know about 'Leather to Sample' in some future post. But there is a new interior combination which is 1) surprisingly attractive, 2) is part of this brown family and 3) is ALREADY offered as a Bi-Color, or Two Tone interior, on the 981! That Bi-color is 'Agate/Amber Orange'. Don't let the name turn you off. Or the un-natural representation of the color on the Configurator. Take a look at the first actual photos I have see on a 981 with this interior just posted by new owner Michael 14 in Planet 9 (photos 2, 3 & 4). It's very attractive! I also think Porsche is experimenting with it on the Boxster. If it's well received by the critics and customers, it will soon be offered too on the 991!
Right now it's only available on the new Boxster. But it could easily be expanded to the 991! The hold up is the obvious lack of corresponding 'Amber Orange' plastic parts & the coordinated 'Alcantara' color needed for the 991 model's interior. These parts are not currently needed for the Boxster for obvious reasons BUT will indeed be at hand when they start ordering 'Amber Orange' coordinated plastic & alcantara parts for the upcoming Cayman model, which will likely be offered with this attractive Bi-Color interior too! The Cayman will be introduced at the LA Auto Show this fall - 2012! Otherwise, PAG has all the other 'Amber-Orange' elements ready to go - the colored carpet, the corresponding airbag covers on the sides of the 'Amber Orange' leather seats (more important that many of you think, but we will discuss this on another day) & matching deviating stitching color thread for the 'Agate' dash & door trims! In summary, we probably will soon see this color interior added to the 991! I expect the cost to be the same as the 'Agate/Pebble Grey' since these are not 'Premium' natural leathers and thus less expensive!
This 'Amber Orange' leather color has some of the visual qualities of 'Natural Brown'. Paired with the 'Agate Grey' dash, door trim and steering wheel, this interior is simply stunning. In combination with 'Agate Grey' exterior, or the standard browns and blacks offered, it will be very attractive! It will also go well with some unique PTS exterior colors you might be able to order. Let your imagination run wild! I am still a big fan of the old 'Natural Brown' offered on the .2 997. But as Stephen Stills wrote in his 1970 hit song: "If you can't be with the one you love...love the one you're with". I think I am falling in love with 'Agate/Amber Orange'!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
I feel quite bad for the unsuspecting owner who ordered this cab with high expectations of a beautiful two-tone interior! It also shows that anyone must be careful in what you order from Porsche. PAG will build it as requested by your dealer in the computer order guides, even when it looks like a terrible thing (as in this case). There is no second guessing the customer or a friendly email to dealer asking someone to please reconsider! If that is what you order, we will build it, Jawohl! That is in part why I am doing my threads on Rennlist. So that our forum members know how important it's to pay attention to all details in your order and choose wisely from the multiple options offered by 'Porsche Exclusive'!
B) The new ordering system will soon allow the subcontractors to supply the production line with color coordinated 'soft touch' parts when a customer makes a request for a Bi-Color interior. In the case of the Cabriolet in the attached photo, all the areas surrounding the 'Black' leather dash will be done in soft-touch painted in 'Black'. Same for the other trim pieces in the rear of the cabin. It's really a small change in their order guides which really should have been allowed from day one so that the owner of this 'Luxor Beige' 991 cab should not have had to experienced this abomination!
C) I would still want to know how they will coordinate the Alcantara on a coupe in the case of a Bi-Color customized interior. For example, if you order a full 'Luxor Beige' interior, the headliner and A & B pillars are done in 'Luxor Beige' Alcantara. Will they changed this to 'Black' or 'Charcoal' Alcantara if you order 'Black/Luxor Beige'? Or 'Agate' Alcantara when you chose 'Agate/Luxor Beige'? I would think so.
D) The impetus for all of this change (in my opinion) comes from the complaint of many that the lighter color interiors allow the dash to reflect on the raked windshield and obstruct vision! So PAG is trying to remedy this objection by offering consumers a choice. Personally, I also think it looks quite attractive. I expect to see quite a few 'Black/Carrera Red', 'Black/Luxor Beige' and 'Agate/Luxor Beige' interiors, to name but a few of the options!
E) 'Natural Brown' leather is not offered on the 991 and so far they have not even allow that color interior to be ordered in 'Leather to Sample' on the 991. I will talk about what I know about 'Leather to Sample' in some future post. But there is a new interior combination which is 1) surprisingly attractive, 2) is part of this brown family and 3) is ALREADY offered as a Bi-Color, or Two Tone interior, on the 981! That Bi-color is 'Agate/Amber Orange'. Don't let the name turn you off. Or the un-natural representation of the color on the Configurator. Take a look at the first actual photos I have see on a 981 with this interior just posted by new owner Michael 14 in Planet 9 (photos 2, 3 & 4). It's very attractive! I also think Porsche is experimenting with it on the Boxster. If it's well received by the critics and customers, it will soon be offered too on the 991!
Right now it's only available on the new Boxster. But it could easily be expanded to the 991! The hold up is the obvious lack of corresponding 'Amber Orange' plastic parts & the coordinated 'Alcantara' color needed for the 991 model's interior. These parts are not currently needed for the Boxster for obvious reasons BUT will indeed be at hand when they start ordering 'Amber Orange' coordinated plastic & alcantara parts for the upcoming Cayman model, which will likely be offered with this attractive Bi-Color interior too! The Cayman will be introduced at the LA Auto Show this fall - 2012! Otherwise, PAG has all the other 'Amber-Orange' elements ready to go - the colored carpet, the corresponding airbag covers on the sides of the 'Amber Orange' leather seats (more important that many of you think, but we will discuss this on another day) & matching deviating stitching color thread for the 'Agate' dash & door trims! In summary, we probably will soon see this color interior added to the 991! I expect the cost to be the same as the 'Agate/Pebble Grey' since these are not 'Premium' natural leathers and thus less expensive!
This 'Amber Orange' leather color has some of the visual qualities of 'Natural Brown'. Paired with the 'Agate Grey' dash, door trim and steering wheel, this interior is simply stunning. In combination with 'Agate Grey' exterior, or the standard browns and blacks offered, it will be very attractive! It will also go well with some unique PTS exterior colors you might be able to order. Let your imagination run wild! I am still a big fan of the old 'Natural Brown' offered on the .2 997. But as Stephen Stills wrote in his 1970 hit song: "If you can't be with the one you love...love the one you're with". I think I am falling in love with 'Agate/Amber Orange'!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
Last edited by Z356; 09-01-2012 at 04:20 AM.
09-01-2012, 01:04 PM
#66
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
re: Before I discuss 'Deviating Stitching'
I have received many private messages & emails inquiring about 'Deviating Stitching'. I am hoping to get to that topic pretty soon. This is one of the areas where we, the Porsche consumer, are given the least amount of public information. It is not on any of Porsche market's Configurators worldwide, as far as I know. This lack of information is not entirely new. It wasn't readily available when I ordered my '12 Spyder either. During the many months that it took me to study all the options and to finalized my specs on that custom order, I got quite familiar with what deviating stitching could be ordered on the 997 and 987 by simply bombarding my dealer contacts and 'Porsche Exclusive' in Germany with questions!
So that is the base of information that I have to start out those discussions on this thread. However, that it is not enough to give a thorough review of the subject matter on the 991 & 981. 'Porsche Exclusive' is doing their 'deviating stitching' program slightly different in these new models. In the 997 and 987 for example, we could order any additional options that involved leather & stitching and be guaranteed that it would be done in the deviating stitching color by paying ONCE a fee which had a specific order code attached. You would be surprised at how many 997 interiors I have seen where some of the stitching on the interior (e.g. center console lid) did not match the rest! Neither the customer nor the ordering dealer realized that this 'catch-all' option was needed to achieved a coordinated deviating stitching in the interior! Similarly, even when this 'catch-all' code was ordered, many customers never were able to get the stitching on the steering wheel, shifter lever boot and emergency brake handle to match the rest of the deviated stitching in their interior! That is because you needed a separate order code to get those parts done (or it wasn't available at all in some cases). Rather than to take a chance of a mismatched interior, many potential customers gave up and never bother to order deviating stitching at all! In the 991/981 order guides, there is no 'catch-all' deviating stitching option so we need to know how this will be done in these new models (hint - deviating stitching for each leather option will be individually ordered with a different order code!).
Knowing all of this, I have asked in writing 'Porsche Exclusive' in the United States to address those and other questions I have on 'Deviating Stitching' for the 991 & 981. I have also asked what changes are coming which will allow options like XHS (center tunnel & console lid), XNS (steering column in leather), CZW (additional dash vents, speakers, ends) and others to be done in deviating stitching. At the present time, these options are NOT permitted to be done with any deviating stitching, apparently because they have supply bottlenecks and need to simplify production for their hard-pressed vendors. Similarly, I have asked when you might be able to order a different color thread (from the limited standard selection) in the case where you order a PTS exterior (e.g. Pastell Orange) and want to have a matching deviating stitching (e.g. orange) in the interior. So rather than give partial or erroneous information on this forum, I have been waiting patiently to hear back from Sascha Glaeser after he returns from vacation in Germany so that I get all of this 'right' before disseminating the information.
I leave you with one photo of 'deviating stitching' on the beautiful interior of BnB's 991 cabriolet in Britain!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
So that is the base of information that I have to start out those discussions on this thread. However, that it is not enough to give a thorough review of the subject matter on the 991 & 981. 'Porsche Exclusive' is doing their 'deviating stitching' program slightly different in these new models. In the 997 and 987 for example, we could order any additional options that involved leather & stitching and be guaranteed that it would be done in the deviating stitching color by paying ONCE a fee which had a specific order code attached. You would be surprised at how many 997 interiors I have seen where some of the stitching on the interior (e.g. center console lid) did not match the rest! Neither the customer nor the ordering dealer realized that this 'catch-all' option was needed to achieved a coordinated deviating stitching in the interior! Similarly, even when this 'catch-all' code was ordered, many customers never were able to get the stitching on the steering wheel, shifter lever boot and emergency brake handle to match the rest of the deviated stitching in their interior! That is because you needed a separate order code to get those parts done (or it wasn't available at all in some cases). Rather than to take a chance of a mismatched interior, many potential customers gave up and never bother to order deviating stitching at all! In the 991/981 order guides, there is no 'catch-all' deviating stitching option so we need to know how this will be done in these new models (hint - deviating stitching for each leather option will be individually ordered with a different order code!).
Knowing all of this, I have asked in writing 'Porsche Exclusive' in the United States to address those and other questions I have on 'Deviating Stitching' for the 991 & 981. I have also asked what changes are coming which will allow options like XHS (center tunnel & console lid), XNS (steering column in leather), CZW (additional dash vents, speakers, ends) and others to be done in deviating stitching. At the present time, these options are NOT permitted to be done with any deviating stitching, apparently because they have supply bottlenecks and need to simplify production for their hard-pressed vendors. Similarly, I have asked when you might be able to order a different color thread (from the limited standard selection) in the case where you order a PTS exterior (e.g. Pastell Orange) and want to have a matching deviating stitching (e.g. orange) in the interior. So rather than give partial or erroneous information on this forum, I have been waiting patiently to hear back from Sascha Glaeser after he returns from vacation in Germany so that I get all of this 'right' before disseminating the information.
I leave you with one photo of 'deviating stitching' on the beautiful interior of BnB's 991 cabriolet in Britain!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Carmel
09-09-2012, 10:23 PM
#67
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
On what not to do!
I would caution all to wait until 'Porsche Exclusive' announces that it has put in place it's 'coordinated' Bi-Color customizing program before anyone orders a 'Black/Carrera Red' 991 interior (or 'Black/Luxor Beige', etc). I went into some detail in my recent post ('Part 7' above) as for the reasons why. Basically, the current ordering system will allow you to do a deviating leather color on the dash but will NOT coordinate the plastic parts to match the new hue you have introduced!
Here is a current example of a spec 2013 991 that should have waited for the NEW program to be implemented (which will match color of plastic to the adjacent color of the leather) BEFORE ordering this customized 'Bi-Color', or 'Two Tone', 991 interior! The plastic parts on the dash are done in 'RED' and the dash leather is done in 'BLACK'. I know Hennessy from personal experiences and they have a very good reputation. Yet this particular order is clearly not optimal although their intentions were 'noble'.
http://hennessy.porschedealer.com/ne...41480/info.php
In theory, this problem could have been remedied if Hennessy would have ordered Option CZW in 'Black' leather. Then all the plastic parts you see in photo below would have been covered in 'black' leather which would have matched the dash. That option costs $1710 and would have been a solution!
As I have tried to explain from day one on this thread, please be careful when you order a 'custom' 991 or 981. Don't rely on just what you casually hear at your dealership when ordering. Do your homework. Read the forums. Ask the hard questions from 'Porsche Exclusive' and make sure you understand all aspects of what you are ordering before you sign on the dotted line. And above all, 'Caveat Emptor'. That is the best piece of advice I can give you!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Currently in Hyannis, MA!
Here is a current example of a spec 2013 991 that should have waited for the NEW program to be implemented (which will match color of plastic to the adjacent color of the leather) BEFORE ordering this customized 'Bi-Color', or 'Two Tone', 991 interior! The plastic parts on the dash are done in 'RED' and the dash leather is done in 'BLACK'. I know Hennessy from personal experiences and they have a very good reputation. Yet this particular order is clearly not optimal although their intentions were 'noble'.
http://hennessy.porschedealer.com/ne...41480/info.php
In theory, this problem could have been remedied if Hennessy would have ordered Option CZW in 'Black' leather. Then all the plastic parts you see in photo below would have been covered in 'black' leather which would have matched the dash. That option costs $1710 and would have been a solution!
As I have tried to explain from day one on this thread, please be careful when you order a 'custom' 991 or 981. Don't rely on just what you casually hear at your dealership when ordering. Do your homework. Read the forums. Ask the hard questions from 'Porsche Exclusive' and make sure you understand all aspects of what you are ordering before you sign on the dotted line. And above all, 'Caveat Emptor'. That is the best piece of advice I can give you!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Currently in Hyannis, MA!
Last edited by Z356; 09-09-2012 at 11:32 PM.
09-18-2012, 02:33 AM
#68
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
New Bi-Color Offering in the 991!
I have been alerted by 'sfo' over at the 991 Forum that the Porsche UK website is now offering one of the customized Bi-Colors that I talked about in a previous post. The new addition is 'Black/Luxor Beige'. The first photo below is of the UK website. The website has not even placed a color representation in the box and it's simply marked with an X! However, when you press the X, it tells you that 'Black/Luxor Beige Bi-Colour leather interior' is being selected. The option code is BL . Price appears to be the same as the other already announced 991 Bi-Colors (Agate/Pebble & Black/Platinum). The big question mark to me is if this option will incorporate a deviating stitching in 'Luxor Beige' for the 'black' dash and the 'black' top of door trim like Porsche provides on the other two Bi-Color offerings! That will make it a doubly good deal!
Photo #2 is what happens when this Bi-Color option is not offered and dealer orders just 'deviating dash & top of door trim in black' thinking that all the dash plastic pieces will match the adjacent black leather!
I sincerely hope that Bi-Color 'Black/Carrera Red' is offered real soon in every Porsche market! It is surely needed! I assume we will see this new Bi-Color 'Black/Luxor Beige' appear shortly in the PCNA website too!
Saludos,
Eduardo
Photo #2 is what happens when this Bi-Color option is not offered and dealer orders just 'deviating dash & top of door trim in black' thinking that all the dash plastic pieces will match the adjacent black leather!
I sincerely hope that Bi-Color 'Black/Carrera Red' is offered real soon in every Porsche market! It is surely needed! I assume we will see this new Bi-Color 'Black/Luxor Beige' appear shortly in the PCNA website too!
Saludos,
Eduardo
09-18-2012, 09:01 AM
#70
Drifting
01-07-2013, 02:31 PM
#72
This thead has long since moved on to interiors, but I followed it daily when I was chosing the color for my next 991 last summer. I just took delivery on this Etna Blue 991, Espresso interior and lots of goodies including PDCC which is stunning. Thanks especially for the PTS list.
Last edited by red route 1; 09-03-2013 at 10:28 PM.
01-07-2013, 02:56 PM
#73
Nordschleife Master
Thread Starter
This thead has long since moved on to interiors, but I followed it daily when I was chosing the color for my next 991 last summer. I just took delivery on this Etna Blue 991, Espresso interior and lots of goodies including PDCC which is stunning. Thanks especially for the PTS list.
Instead of supplying me with the information, he told me 'Porsche Exclusive' had NO time to answer these questions in any great detail! A surprising response for someone who had been trying very hard to help them market their little known 'Porsche Exclusive' services in the United States, something most dealers don't know or care too much about! As of early September (last time I counted) since starting this thread in late July, my 'Custom Ordering a 981/991, Porsche Exclusive and You' threads at Teamspeed, Rennlist and 6Speed had received over 20K individual views, a fantastic result for which Porsche Exclusive, PCNA & PAG should have been ecstatic! So I said f**k them & I have stopped posting. I have also cancelled my PTS 991 order with a US Porsche dealer. As I wrote in the 991 Rennlist forum, all of this is a bit of capitalist 'tough love'. I am not very optimistic about the direction Porsche is taking or confident in the personnel they have hired to accomplish that mission! But it's their business and I will take mine elsewhere! I am glad to see, however, that some have taken PTS and a 'bespoke' interior to heart! From an aesthetic point of view, I see great possibilities for PTS colors on the 991 gt3 and gt3 RS when they are finally available to order!
Saludos,
Eduardo
01-07-2013, 04:18 PM
#74
Rennlist Member
Who else thinks the Cayman interior is a nicer interior layout than the 991? My g/f is looking at ordering a Cayman, and it was so nice inside when we test drove the boxter S.
