Premier

Paint protection film today and over a decade has undergone 2-3 revisions in film grade so it is a completely different product now. The older material would take hours to remove and is a pain to remove. The newer films today can be pulled off leaving in most cases only about 5% of the adhesive on teh surface.

tdf360

No, it does come off the film...use goo gone.

Gary

mooty

ah... that would be a problem for me, sam!

mooty

gary, it depends.
i dont why why it sometimes does and sometimes doesn't.
my track toy is washed, waxed within 12 hours of a track day. ok, if i have two days back to back, then it's 12 hours after the 2nd day. sometimes the marks comes right off with goo gone, wd40 or 3m adhesive remover, sometimes they just wont come off no matter what chemical i use.

i do not notice how those tire marks differ from one aother such that some comes off, others don't?

josh_o

I'm the owner so I'll answer why I went this route. Frankly I was anti film before I bought my Stradale. I just wasn't impressed with the quality of the material or the work I'd seen. However after passing on several Stradales that had 5k miles of street because they looked like they had just competed in the 12 Hours of Sebring I decided I didn't have a choice. Ferrari paint sucks, the R compound tires toss up lots of stones, the paint chips white and it was time to rethink my no film approach. I was referred to Premier by a friend with a Stradale so I got to see their work first hand before committing. I was simply stunned by the quality of their work and from that point on I've been a customer. My Ferrari looked as nice the day I sold it as it did the day I bought it - BTW, I'm the ugly dude on Premier's website in the Yellow Stradale Had I not installed the film I would have had to repaint the bumper at a minimum or taken a material value hit to sell the car when it was time to move on. And to Finns point about rubber, dirt or scratches on the film - I'd rather have that stuff on the film than on my paint. The film can always be removed and replaced, the paint is another story. My RS had accumulated some nasty chips ala my Stradale in the first few miles of ownership so I decided to go for full coverage. However as Sammy mentioned there are varying levels of coverage - you don't have to go this extreme. I also have a thing for original paint and over the years i've picked up some chips and scratches on my cars in unusual places that could have been avoided with the film. For me this is really cheap insurance and its impossible to put a premium on piece of mind.

Josh

2007 GT3 RS
2007 E63 Wagon

2002 GT2 (sold)
2004 Challenge Stradale (sold)

Flying Finn

+1 This has been my experience.

Premier, Josh, thanks.

Surely the plastic Porsche used 12 years ago was different what's available today but still, won't it get "hazy" much quicker than paint and can it be polished like paint can?

I'm not talking in a year or do but let's say in 5 years or more.

I'm not trying to be negative, while this is not "my cup of tea" (I'd rather re-paint), some people obviously like it. I'm mostly just curious and I think someone thinking about getting this might also think about the things I ask.

Premier

Over the years, paint protection film has been modified several times due to yellowing and fading ("hazing") due to either heavy UV exposure or film pores filled up with goo and gunk. Today's ppf has a layer of clearcoat (different from the clear on paint) to seal up these pores so that it doesn't fade due to the pores getting contaminated. Revisions and R&D goes to constant improvement on the film. Essentially, film, like paint does need to be maintained. Regular washing and waxing will keep the finish of the film looking as it did from the initial installation. We believe in the product more so than we have ever due to improving technology. We use varying products and are constantly testing them in the most extreme manner - company vehicles with film (bug guts / bird droppings left to sit for months w/o washing and waxing - have yet to see any ill-effects from the abuse. If we did not believe in the product this much, we would not be installing it on full vehicles as we would be liable for such film replacement. In the end, it is our goal to provide the "best" product coupled with our field expertise to ensure the end product reaches the client in as "perfect" a condition as possible.

lowside67

WOW! $5800 is a lot of paint chips and what not repaired.

jhbrennan

Last year some of the Porsche magazines in their reveiw of the Ruf Kompressor conversions (the "kermit" car) talked about the car being painted black but covered entirely with a green "decal" type material. Is this simlar to your product? Will there be colors offered someday? Any idea what Ruf used to do this? Thanks.

///Mous3

So, this is mainly for re-sale value?
The paint will fade differently between the area that is covered by PPF and the bare surface. So, if you remove the PPF before you sell the car would, in my opinion, reduce the car's value even further from those mis-match paint fade?

Now, doing the full-PPF on true Carbon Fiber panels like those for some motorcycles may be an interesting option. What would be an estimated cost for doing full-PPF-Jacket on Ducati 749R?

How about for the crash helmet; Arai GP5?

P.S. Two years ago, I saw the Safety Car BMW M5 at Laguna Seca was actually a dark blue but covered with White film to make it appear White. I think last year was the same.

mooty

finn, i think some ppl must have orig paint.
the clear bra isn't meant to last forever, maybe 5 years, they should be replaced. and the way i drive my cars, every year i need bumper and sills rewrapped. the cost is equal to or even more than hi qty repaint. but sometime i get worried about "repaint"... well, that's what i used to feel.

if one thinks that the film is be all end all product that last forever, they are wrong. but it is a viable way to protect the paint. some may not like it, but it does work. you know, it's like condoms. you may not like it. but some of us like to live a few extra years.

and if one wants to cover the paint, premier is one of the very best out there. they have worked on quite a few of my cars.

now, i really dont know what or how i feel. i can't make up my mind as to wrap or not. no, i am not doing whole wrap. i like to "touch" and "feel" the paint (sounds sick, i know)... but now i am debating even to wrap at all....

ugh.

mooty

in my own experience, the barepaint doesn't fade differentially than covered area. if it does, it's so small that i can't see it and i am very **** about these things

and josh's car is COVERED from bumper to bumper, you got to see it to believe it. there aren't any bare paint left. maybe 1% out of the entire exterior.

josh_o

Mous,

Just to clarify, I am more concerned about saleability rather than resale value. In fact, I'm not all that concerned about resale value per se - I ordered my RS without A/C; apparently the kiss of death for resale value. However, several of the Stradales I looked at when I was in the market were ready for complete repaints after just a few thousand miles. Is there a price at which I'd buy one of those sandblasted Strads? Sure. But I'd rather buy one that had its original paint protected by clear film. And as Finn and Mooty mentioned some people are original paint guys and some aren't. All cars need to be repainted at some point but I don't want to deal with paint during my typically very brief ownership tenure.

PS Clear film also protects decals like Stradale Stripes and RS stickers. My RS stickers were lifting in a few places on my car only a few days after taking delivery!!?! Now the stickers are protected under the film.

Josh

2007 GT3 RS
2007 E63 Wagon

2002 GT2 (sold)
2004 Challenge Stradale (sold)

nkhalidi

Your view echoes that of literally every person who called about the Stradale (rosso scuderia, 3800 miles) I had for sale a couple months ago. First question: was the car tracked (yes). Second question: is there clear bra (no). Third question: how bad are the paint chips (what paint chips).

To be fair, there were some very minor pinpricks on the front bumper cover, but nothing noticeable from 5 feet away. Definitely nothing that resembled the 12hrs of Sebring, despite the car having covered probably a half-dozen track days at Sebring. When the car actually sold, the buyer commented on how good the bumper cover appeared, and about how we must've taken very good care of it with a clear bra - oh, the irony.

I respect the work Premier does - that GT3 RS looks very good in person, I'm sure - but I'd never wrap a car. These are meant to be driven - cars are consumables - and ultimately, the vast majority of cars are replaceable.

mowblowgo

Josh,
It sounds like alot of thought went into this so please don't take this as harsh, but I can't believe I am the only one who considers this decision "extreme". Protecting the paint to this level seems a bit over. Enjoy the car and drive the tires off of it. If you lose a little on resale then so be it. But enjoy the thing as hard as you can without remorse. That is what Porsche intended you to do with it.
The color and choices are beautiful!
Stu