997 Carrera GTS attacks New York Safety Track
07-19-2017, 04:18 PM
#16
If you think the best way to handle a car is to have your hands flapping all over the place and letting go of the steering wheel often while lapping on a track... well... umm... I'm really questioning your ability to be a driving instructor... lol
07-19-2017, 04:50 PM
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Comments such as this make it sound as if one has never had advanced car control which I have taught at Skippy, been on a skid pad, been forced off line racing at 10/10s, learned recovery skills or practiced skills such as trail brake rotation. Sometimes, recoveries even when trying to be smooth and steady are not pretty and can get especially comical when you are purposely over driving the car.
But lets get real here, 99% of all HPDE participants INLCUDING instructors in that percentage, are incapable of getting close to 10/10s on a consistent basis around a track or throughout a single lap. Most are at about 7/10 to 8/10s, but will tell you all day long they are at 10/10s.
If you think you have skills, go race in a competitive spec class and see what you really have . . . heck, even the Barber Championship series is a good place to see what you have.
07-20-2017, 04:10 PM
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Hello, where did I say anything about best way to handle a car? I simply said he was having fun exceeding the limits of the car. Obviously, if he was on a perfect line with a perfectly balanced car under maintenance throttle at 10/10s . . . the hands would be slow and steady.
Comments such as this make it sound as if one has never had advanced car control which I have taught at Skippy, been on a skid pad, been forced off line racing at 10/10s, learned recovery skills or practiced skills such as trail brake rotation. Sometimes, recoveries even when trying to be smooth and steady are not pretty and can get especially comical when you are purposely over driving the car. [added emphasis]
But lets get real here, 99% of all HPDE participants INLCUDING instructors in that percentage, are incapable of getting close to 10/10s on a consistent basis around a track or throughout a single lap. Most are at about 7/10 to 8/10s, but will tell you all day long they are at 10/10s.
If you think you have skills, go race in a competitive spec class and see what you really have . . . heck, even the Barber Championship series is a good place to see what you have.
Comments such as this make it sound as if one has never had advanced car control which I have taught at Skippy, been on a skid pad, been forced off line racing at 10/10s, learned recovery skills or practiced skills such as trail brake rotation. Sometimes, recoveries even when trying to be smooth and steady are not pretty and can get especially comical when you are purposely over driving the car. [added emphasis]
But lets get real here, 99% of all HPDE participants INLCUDING instructors in that percentage, are incapable of getting close to 10/10s on a consistent basis around a track or throughout a single lap. Most are at about 7/10 to 8/10s, but will tell you all day long they are at 10/10s.
If you think you have skills, go race in a competitive spec class and see what you really have . . . heck, even the Barber Championship series is a good place to see what you have.
"not pretty and can get especially comical when you are purposely over driving the car." [added emphasis]
Doug - this is the real key IMHO. I've decided not to talk to the OP about his driving anymore, but I will talk with you or others on the board. After the first video, when it was pointed out that he was over-driving the car, he became defensive and responded with examples of pro-driver videos, defending his style in a very proud way. I think you're speculating (and probably wrong) about him 'purposely' overdriving the car. Looking at the first 6-7 mins of this new video and comparing it to the last one, it seems like he's heeding some of the original advice, and then falling back to old ways after about 7 mins. But - now I'm guilty of speculating.
I will agree with you that: "This is funny stuff." and "especially comical"
Edit - I also want to say that I'm all for someone going out on the track and having fun, whether it's the OP or anyone else. Especially someone in a Porsche - we should all be out enjoying our cars every chance we can get! We're all here as enthusiasts, so I get that, and for that - cheers to the OP.
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07-22-2017, 10:50 AM
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Pho King...I'm back with another GTS...991 this time...I see you're still at it!...awesome keep it up!
07-22-2017, 11:53 AM
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Pro tip: it only takes about one lap or 2 mins to warm up tires. Why wait 7 mins to purposely overdrive your car and have fun showing off your skillz? Even better - start having fun right out of the pits on cold tires.
Since 99% of the readers here don't have extensive track experience, your BS is better targeted to that 99%, vs the 1% that can see your ignorance but don't bother to call it out due to apathy, politeness, or internet savviness.
Since 99% of the readers here don't have extensive track experience, your BS is better targeted to that 99%, vs the 1% that can see your ignorance but don't bother to call it out due to apathy, politeness, or internet savviness.
07-23-2017, 07:02 PM
#23
Still have a lot to work on your driving pho king.
You are much better than before but still not smooth enough.
And to those that say oh you don't know what 10/10ths are...
Yes oh yes I do
That's a proper line and car control. Notice smoothness in the change of direction - sorry no hand cam.
Everyone in this run group is COMMA.
Leave this as an example since no one else will of proper track control
You are much better than before but still not smooth enough.
And to those that say oh you don't know what 10/10ths are...
Yes oh yes I do
That's a proper line and car control. Notice smoothness in the change of direction - sorry no hand cam.
Everyone in this run group is COMMA.
Leave this as an example since no one else will of proper track control
07-24-2017, 01:50 AM
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07-24-2017, 10:41 AM
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Lol at the 10/10s video and guys in that run group were all over the place even when no traffic. I always viewed 10/10s as using every last vestige of the track and this guys is a foot way from curbs . . .
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07-24-2017, 10:45 AM
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I kind of like the 2 finger approach, but that approach is certainly better on the fingers just in case you spin or wreck. I keep waiting for these guys to realize that a steering wheel spinner **** is totally the way to go.
