313green

here's what's listed under a powertrain warranty from Fidelity. would this confirm that IMS bearing is covered as well as any subsequent engine damage? thx for the help. Im not clear on the specific parts. It does say "bearings".

ENGINE
Engine block and cylinder heads and all internally lubricated parts including pistons, piston rings, pins and cylinder sleeves; crankshaft, pulley, main bearings, caps and bolts; connecting rods, rod bearings, caps and bolts; camshaft(s), camshaft bearings, buttons and plugs; timing gears, chain or belt, and tensioner; rocker arms, rocker arm pivots, shafts and bushings; intake and exhaust valves, springs, guides, adjusters, retainers and seats; pushrods and lifters; intake manifold; exhaust manifolds; balance shaft; water pump; fuel pump; thermostat; oil pump, cover, gears, pressure relief valve and screen; rotor housing, rotors, shims and silent shaft; all internal fasteners, nuts and bolts; turbocharger/supercharger assembly including boost valve, boost pressure control, wastegate, recirculation and blow off valve; seals and gaskets.

docdrs

All internally lubricated parts

313green

What i thought. Just wanted to hear someone else say it

4Driver4

Is an IMS internally lubricated if there is a seal designed to prevent oil from entering? <devil's advocate>

mbatarga

Yep. I tried to get written clarification that the IMS bearing - although is "sealed" and is NOT specifically listed as covered and technically could be argues is NOT internally lubricated - WAS covered under the warranty. I even had the PNA dealer attempt to get something in writing.

We were both told it was covered, and the legalese in the document was all we would get.

DC911S

The IMS is not lubricated.....so I'm betting a lawyer for any warranty company claim would try their best to get out of paying for a 25K engine rebuild or replacement. That's what they get paid to do.

docdrs

The intermediate shaft is internal, I believe it is lubricated. The IMS bearing is a bearing and lubricated as we all know a bearing without lubrication is going to heat up and become toast in short order. One could argue the seal is to keep the lubrication internal otherwise all the oil would leak out. Just because they fail due to poor lubrication and being overloaded does not mean they do not have any lubrication. Just my thoughts.

DC911S

Well it depends on what internally lubrucated means, the IMS is sealed and not lubrucated by the engine coolant or oiling system. So it's lubrication is internal to itself and a swarmy lawyer will try to point this out and deny a claim.

docdrs

You could also argue its an internal fastener for the ims , holding it in place. I think the judge would rule for you. Its a component inside the engine. They didnt specifically exclude it. There is lubrication internal to the ims bearing.and it failed. Are you saying they made the engine with a bearing that had/ has no lubrication at all? A dry bearing?

sandwedge

Is that the only powertrain policy they offer? No exclusionary option?

Gonzo911

Call them and ask. Maybe the IMSB is covered, but what about the collateral damage that grenades your engine. Ask about that too...

Bxstr

Fidelity also offers an exclusionary plan, thats what I would go with. They essentially list what is not covered. Much safer when dealing with the IMS bearing, that way they can't pick and choose what to cover and what not to cover. I have the policy on my S4 and it has been great. It is an actual Audi warranty, underwritten by Fidelity. But the sane one you are talking about.

rodH

The IMS is lubricated from the factory (the factory wouldn't put a dry sealed bearing in there). The problem, some propose is that over time the lubrication comes out and it lacks the necessary (it still isn't bone dry, but there isn't enough grease or engine lubricant in the bearing) which causes it to fail. In other words, it is a lubrication failure. If the technicality other people are speaking of would exempt the warrentee, I am sure lots of other cars have some other way of getting out of it as well.

When my VANOS went bad in my E46 M3, someone try to scare me and say that although the warranty reads that it covers the valve train, it doesn't say anywhere that it covers a "VANOS" system. He didn't get it when I tried to explain that the VANOS is a term used by BMW, it is part of the variable valve system. Needless to say, the $6,000 fix was covered.