Doug H

We all may be paying more for a 997.2 than a 991.1 in the near future. The 997.2 will be like the 993 IMO. There is a very narrow window of 997.2s. I would not even touch a tiptronic NA 911, horrible transmission that nullifies the performance of a 911. The pdk is amazing.

Forget the little tweaks here and there that come with every Porsche model update, the issue is engine reliability and perception of reliability with the 997.1. This will drive prices up on 997.2 over time unless that engine starts showing propensity to grenade or have catastrophic failures as it also gets older.

I am an old school Porsche guy, have owned well over 20 different Porsches including Cup cars, raced them since the 80s, purchased an 05 CGT new and used turbos as daily drivers over several decades . . . That said, I shied completely away from an 08 997.1 S NA aero kit with 15 k miles recently because candidly I did not want to run the risk of headache and hassle.

At the end of the day, I think the 997.2 is perhaps worth more than a $10k premium over the 997.1 (much more to me since I refuse to purchase the .1) and will potentially end up being more desirable than the 991.1 to many, especially us old school guys.

Doug H

A truism, mostly so, that I have found and lived by after making a few mistakes over the years is do not cut corners and try to save a few extra thousand whether it be for same year cars that are discounted or that are between different model runs that are basically the same cars. Pay more to get the premium cars and you wallet will thank you later.

rickdogg82

It likely depends on the trim level you go with. We know that the engine is improved, but other improvements include an upgraded (?) PASM system, upgraded 4wd system, and of course a huge upgrade between the tip and PDK. Cosmetic upgrades are subjective but in my opinion not that much of an improvement. But more power is always good.

A base .2 Carrera manual is no way worth 10k over an equally equipped .1. But if you are looking a .2 4S with PDK , it could be.

In my opinion, S or base model 997s are never going to be a collector's items. A 996 Turbo has more potential to increase in value.

JWYR

It can be a lot more than $10K. I purchased my 997.1 with 24K miles in the mid $30s. I was looking at 997.2 at the same time and they were in the mid to upper $50s. I opted for my 997.1 and over $20K still in my pocket. I figured that for $25K in the future, I can have Flat 6 Innovations build a 4.0 or a 4.2 all sorted out. At some point, I could also add on a set of in coil overs to sort out the handling. Is that the best from an investment standpoint? No not really, but I bought the car to drive. The 20K I saved is sitting in investments.

Petza914

Unless you want a PDK, no, not worth the difference. The 9A1, though it doesn't have an IMS issue still has occurrences of bore scoring, has lightweight timing chains, might have a DFI related carbon buildup or cylinder washing issue, already had a fuel pump issue, and we might discover others as time goes on.

If I was buying a MT 997 right now, I'd find an early build '05 with the smaller IMS bearing (so I could replace it with The IMS Solution), with full service records, from a warm weather climate, and pocket the difference or use it for other upgrades. The PPI on this car would include a boroscope inspection of the cylinders, a drop of the oil pan, and an inspection of the oil filter media for a debris check.

golfnutintib

Fined

There is not a comparable 997.1 to the 997.2 that I bought so it's a non-issue. However, I would say it's definitely worth the difference.

thatg

Hey to tag along to this thread I've found a 997.2 c4 60k miles for 40k is going from a 997.1 c2s to that a downgrade? The 997.2 didn't seem to have a pass button.

Kurzheck

I agree. That's why I bought the '05 I have.

When the .2's start reaching the same age as the .1's now, then we can even further assess. I notice that whenever the examples of the .2's bore scoring comes up, it's ignored. It's obvious that this issue is starting to manifest itself. I'm sure we will start seeing more examples come up, just like the .1's.

I also agree with rickdogg's comment about a MT C2. No way in hell is the .2 worth $10k more.

It's all about what version we are talking about. Yes, the PDK is better than the tip. $10k more? Hmmm, probably. But I did not feel $10k difference between a .1 C2S and a .2 in manual.

I would much rather have the difference in savings between a .1 vs .2 and apply it to a solid warranty. It's apparent that both versions are showing issues.

mickfluff

what he said and what I did.... but mine had already had the IMS solution just done. You cen get the best deals on an 05 based on all the mis information etc...

otuA

If both cars are automatic, I think $10k is worth it purely from a financial point of view alone. A 997.2 PDK car will hold its value way better than a 997.1 automatic.

For two manual cars, $10k extra for an '09 vs '08 is appropriate, but debatable. I believe the dust has settled on late model 997.1 IMS reliability, and after 10+ years it is clear that the bigger bearing is not an issue. 5 years ago people were right to be cautious, but no longer.

Personally, I think the premium for '09 vs '08 (similar condition/miles/etc of course) is closer to $7k, that's where I'd be wringing my hands, but that said $10k isn't outrageous.

rickdogg82

lateral move.

speedracerf4i

The difference in price between 2 models is what the market can bear at any given time. 2 years ago, I passed on an 08 C4S ($46K @ 25K miles) for an 09 C4S ($63.4K @ 14K). I decided that $17K price difference was OK for: Full leather, New PCM, no IMS worries, Ventilated seats, dynamic cornering lights, and new 4 wheel drive system and 11K miles less on the odo.

I also think I may get some of the difference in pricing back when I resell the car later. So, not too bad.

khiroshima

Agree, this may manifest itself in in a longer private sale time or a lower price, after having driven the PDK, it was 997 manual or 2009+ PDK - I may be an anomaly, but just sharing my search criteria-- In the end, buy what YOU like the most, worry about resale later KH

lakemontc4s

When it comes to Porsche new is better.

Buy what makes your budget happy.

I'm having a great time with my 997.1 S but the 997.2 S is faster and the 991 S is even more faster lol