$40k-50k range: 997.2 C2 or 997.1 C2S?
#1
$40k-50k range: 997.2 C2 or 997.1 C2S?
All things considered, at a given price point, what would you rather own?
997.2 C2, around 40k miles
997.1 C2S, around 40k miles.
Most of the C2S I see are upgraded (SC, PASM, leather) while the C2's are mostly pretty bare bones.
Looking at both coupes and cabs. My wife would look better driving the cab, everyone loves a tall blonde in a Porsche. It doesn't matter to me personally though.
looking at manuals mostly. Interested in performance primarily, I know the NAV will be ancient on both models, who cares, my truck doesn't have NAV, its 15 years old.
Seems most 2009+ C2S models are bumping up against my ceiling with fairly low miles. In an ideal world, I drive a low mileage 997 Turbo 6MT, but not much under $70k out there!
997.2 C2, around 40k miles
997.1 C2S, around 40k miles.
Most of the C2S I see are upgraded (SC, PASM, leather) while the C2's are mostly pretty bare bones.
Looking at both coupes and cabs. My wife would look better driving the cab, everyone loves a tall blonde in a Porsche. It doesn't matter to me personally though.
looking at manuals mostly. Interested in performance primarily, I know the NAV will be ancient on both models, who cares, my truck doesn't have NAV, its 15 years old.
Seems most 2009+ C2S models are bumping up against my ceiling with fairly low miles. In an ideal world, I drive a low mileage 997 Turbo 6MT, but not much under $70k out there!
#2
Drifting
IMHO, with similar options, I'd go with the 997.2 base vs the 997.1S. Similar horsepower between them both with all of the improvements of the DI engine and other interior items you get with the later car.
I made this same exact decision when I bought my '09 a few years ago. I haven't regretted going with the later car for one second.
I made this same exact decision when I bought my '09 a few years ago. I haven't regretted going with the later car for one second.
#3
Figure out your "must have" options first. Full leather is really nice and nearly impossible (impractical?) to upgrade afterwards. Sport mode can be added, so can PSE. X51 power kit is a huge bonus to find on a car but completely not worth the money to add afterwards. If going for an automatic there's the Tiptronic vs PDK decision too.
Then if faced with a highly optioned 997.1 C2S with every one of your must haves, vs a base 997.2 similar mileage and price but missing one or more must haves - the choice is easier to make, choose the car with all of your must haves.
Then if faced with a highly optioned 997.1 C2S with every one of your must haves, vs a base 997.2 similar mileage and price but missing one or more must haves - the choice is easier to make, choose the car with all of your must haves.
#4
Racer
I think there is a 997.2S out there in your price range. I bought a 2009 C2S, PDK, 44,000 miles from a Porsche dealer for $44,000 in November. All records, dealer maintained, great condition.
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#7
Racer
Price was firm at $44,900 including delivery or $44,000 without. Park Place seems to price their used cars to move and they do not seem to negotiate. I tried but nothing at all.
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#8
Rennlist Member
I went with the c2.2, I didn't want any fancy options so it made it easier. If you need certain options, the c2S.1s are easier to find in your range.
Or you could be like d1couch and find one of the better deals I have heard about. Surely would have went with the .2S if I could have. Inching for power already but I'm sure I would feel the same in the S by now.
Or you could be like d1couch and find one of the better deals I have heard about. Surely would have went with the .2S if I could have. Inching for power already but I'm sure I would feel the same in the S by now.
#9
Drifting
IMHO, with similar options, I'd go with the 997.2 base vs the 997.1S. Similar horsepower between them both with all of the improvements of the DI engine and other interior items you get with the later car.
I made this same exact decision when I bought my '09 a few years ago. I haven't regretted going with the later car for one second.
I made this same exact decision when I bought my '09 a few years ago. I haven't regretted going with the later car for one second.
#10
4+ years ago I made the decision to go with a CPO 2009 997.2 C2. I liked the simple styling look, it was exceptionally low-optioned and revved like no Porsche I had driven before Today I still enjoy driving the car and would not change my decision if given the chance.
#11
Crazy talk right there... previous 3 above and quoted below....
997.2s over a 997.1s no doubt
base 997.2 vs a well equipped 997.1s hell to the no.... if optioned similar even more I would go with the S even a loaded up base 997.2 vs 997.1S lightly optioned maybe closer but even then nope.
I mean sure if you want less horse power (we all know how much it cost to add HP to these cars) and less braking power (s has Turbo brakes) and then, then there is the difference aesthetically. BIGLY difference.... stance is taller on the 997.2 and wheels are smaller, exhaust pipes are the single blob, black gauges vs the sport like silver gauges in the S and in general the 997.s car will have a few more options clicked off when ordered then a base car.
I am a prior base owner here in a 997.1 base years back (modded it heavily though) and the base cars are great cars NO doubt....
But you can get an well equipped aerokit (if that's what your into) 997.1s for same price as equal miles 997.2 base. Even find yourself a 997.1s X51 for equal price etc...now talking even more power. What about a 997.1s launch car with PCCB? What now people enjoy brake dust?�� The shear presence between these cars stock are worlds apart...
Finally 6sp vs 6sp here....I am comparing.
PDK in the .2 vs tip in .1 cars ...PDK all the way even if PDK tranny issues do exit.
Bottom line is its a 911 so really a wonderful car whether a .2 or .1 and much more may really depend on the actual car itself. These cars although so similar are so unique in many ways based on colors, features, options, other....and whether someone wants pdk, 6sp, or even a tip I guess. Also what does the owner wants, whats important to them... someone may want a low key, better mpg commuter car and others may want the best car for some track days and use there car more if a toy week end driver etc...
What is important to one may not be as important to the other. How will you be using your car? That's a key question to ask yourself...
I will put up the black 997.1s car I bought price wise against any base 997.2 bought at same/similar price any day "bang for the buck" speaking. Now some people "don't care about the extra options" -really? so if your car had extra options for no added cost you would not want them?- but confident in saying that this is a small small group.
997.2s over a 997.1s no doubt
base 997.2 vs a well equipped 997.1s hell to the no.... if optioned similar even more I would go with the S even a loaded up base 997.2 vs 997.1S lightly optioned maybe closer but even then nope.
I mean sure if you want less horse power (we all know how much it cost to add HP to these cars) and less braking power (s has Turbo brakes) and then, then there is the difference aesthetically. BIGLY difference.... stance is taller on the 997.2 and wheels are smaller, exhaust pipes are the single blob, black gauges vs the sport like silver gauges in the S and in general the 997.s car will have a few more options clicked off when ordered then a base car.
I am a prior base owner here in a 997.1 base years back (modded it heavily though) and the base cars are great cars NO doubt....
But you can get an well equipped aerokit (if that's what your into) 997.1s for same price as equal miles 997.2 base. Even find yourself a 997.1s X51 for equal price etc...now talking even more power. What about a 997.1s launch car with PCCB? What now people enjoy brake dust?�� The shear presence between these cars stock are worlds apart...
Finally 6sp vs 6sp here....I am comparing.
PDK in the .2 vs tip in .1 cars ...PDK all the way even if PDK tranny issues do exit.
Bottom line is its a 911 so really a wonderful car whether a .2 or .1 and much more may really depend on the actual car itself. These cars although so similar are so unique in many ways based on colors, features, options, other....and whether someone wants pdk, 6sp, or even a tip I guess. Also what does the owner wants, whats important to them... someone may want a low key, better mpg commuter car and others may want the best car for some track days and use there car more if a toy week end driver etc...
What is important to one may not be as important to the other. How will you be using your car? That's a key question to ask yourself...
I will put up the black 997.1s car I bought price wise against any base 997.2 bought at same/similar price any day "bang for the buck" speaking. Now some people "don't care about the extra options" -really? so if your car had extra options for no added cost you would not want them?- but confident in saying that this is a small small group.
IMHO, with similar options, I'd go with the 997.2 base vs the 997.1S. Similar horsepower between them both with all of the improvements of the DI engine and other interior items you get with the later car.
I made this same exact decision when I bought my '09 a few years ago. I haven't regretted going with the later car for one second.
I made this same exact decision when I bought my '09 a few years ago. I haven't regretted going with the later car for one second.
Last edited by mickfluff; 01-23-2017 at 09:11 AM.
#12
Intermediate
Don't shy away from a 997.1. I bought a 2008 manual cab 997.1s this past summer. I'm fine with it. It's not the fastest thing on the road nor the best handling. It was a matter of the right car came up for me at the right price. I could care less about navigation in the car, I have a phone (it's not my daily driver). Both interiors are fossils compared to newer cars. For me, it's just a fun car to drive.
#13
Intermediate
Selling mine in your range. 25k miles. Celeb owned. Last 14 days I put on wheels and LED's. 2006 Carrera S Full Leather, Sport Chrono. Dealer serviced all the time.
#14
Drifting
I think some posters are missing the gist of the question. If I am reading correctly, he is asking if, for similar money, he should choose a .1 S or a .2 non S. .2 S was NOT one of the options. And he didn't ask about an early car loaded with options versus a later car that was a stripped out car. I don't even know how anyone interpreted his question that way. Bad reading comprehension, I guess.
I said, given the choice of those two cars optioned out similarly, I would choose the .2. HP is about the same. The only thing you get of any worth with the .1 S is larger brakes and 19" wheels (and even with that, there are plenty of non S cars with 19" wheels out there). Everything else is cosmetic.
With the .2 you get a better engine with better mileage. If you get the auto trans, the PDK is better in every way. You get a touchscreen instead of ***** on the PCM/Nav and LED DRLs and tail lights. You even get higher resale value. What's not like?
I said, given the choice of those two cars optioned out similarly, I would choose the .2. HP is about the same. The only thing you get of any worth with the .1 S is larger brakes and 19" wheels (and even with that, there are plenty of non S cars with 19" wheels out there). Everything else is cosmetic.
With the .2 you get a better engine with better mileage. If you get the auto trans, the PDK is better in every way. You get a touchscreen instead of ***** on the PCM/Nav and LED DRLs and tail lights. You even get higher resale value. What's not like?
#15
Actually he said the .1s generally have options, and the .2s generally don't, so that is the exact comparison he is making. I didn't really even answer (I went with the simple .2 and don't regret it for the reasons listed above), but if you're going to question reading comprehension, well... you should read the post.