Go Back  Rennlist - Porsche Discussion Forums > Water Cooled Technical Discussion Areas > 997 Forum
Reload this Page >

OEM Clear Stone Guard DIY - PLEASE READ before trying - could save you some stress

Notices
997 Forum
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

OEM Clear Stone Guard DIY - PLEASE READ before trying - could save you some stress

 
Old 11-20-2016, 08:30 PM
  #1  
EMC2
Addict
Rennlist Member
Thread Starter
 
EMC2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: Georgia
Posts: 817
Default OEM Clear Stone Guard DIY - PLEASE READ before trying - could save you some stress

I hope this thread can help save some someone from the anxiety I went through for several days as a result of this DIY...

997.2 OEM Clear Stone Guard DIY

The original stone guards were beginning to show some wear, so I decided to replace them.

My car is black and the clear guards work well and are barely noticeable if you keep the edges clean (particularly from polish or wax build up).

I did consider the black Matt guards but due to another upcoming project (installation of Matt black side decals, I needed to ensure the decals would contrast against the stone guards)

I picked up the stone guards from my local Porsche dealer - part numbers:

997-504-826-04
997-504-825-04







As usual before any DIY, I did a lot of research to see what others found during removal and installation. There are some VERY scary stories out there including several where the actual paint lifted during removal.

I'd also removed my clear bra on my 911 before so I had some prior experience from that task, which also helped.

In summary the good advice I found was to apply a very controlled amount of heat. Most suggest using a hair dryer to avoid the risk of damaging the paint with a heat gun.

I did however choose to use a heat gun, holding it about 18 inches from the surface and keeping it moving.

I also constantly monitored the temperature with an Infra Red handheld thermometer and ensured that the entire area of the stone guard was around 105 deg F. There was no scientific reason for this except that I know the body panels will regularly reach this temperature on hot days, so there should be no risk.

Before starting I ensured that the area immediately around the stone guards was completely clean. I clayed and used paint cleaner to be 100% sure, followed by a 50% isopropyl alcohol wipe down.

Also before removing the old stone guards I marked key locator points using blue painters tape as shown below.






Removal was a lot easier than expected, and I was able to do it without leaving any residue/adhesive behind. To do this you need to begin at a corner using your finger nail, and ensure that you get a clean lift. I had one corner that didn’t want to come away clean (I could see that the adhesive would remain behind if I continued pulling). I simply moved to a different corner to begin the removal and everything worked fine.
Once you begin you need to pull at a constant and slow speed. Also ensure that you pull evenly across the area that is lifting.
I pulled in such a way to maintain roughly a 45 degree angle between the lifted portion of the stone guard and the portion that was still on the vehicle. (or to say it differently, the lifted portion should be pulled at 135 degrees from it’s installed angle.

After complete removal, I again did another wipe down of the area with 50% isopropyl alcohol.

Now comes the interesting part…

For application I used a lightly soapy solution of water and dish soap (part of the common recommendations I came across). I sprayed the car and the back of the guard liberally with the solution.

The painters tape made it very easy to position the piece, although I did need to make a small adjustment with the first guard (because it is a little tricky to handle). The solution allowed it to slide into place quite easily. The second guard was easier to position right the first time (always the case I guess )

The first spray applicator I used seemed to create a lot of micro bubbles in the solution which just would not squeeze out under pressure of the squeegee. At this point I got quite concerned.




Note that I had done Lamin X film install on my previous headlights , and in that scenario only got a very small number of bubbles. From that experience knew that most small bubbles work there way out after evaporation of the solution once the car has been in the sun for a while. This kind of bubbling was very different, and was more like what is referred to as “silvering” in the industry, which is usually believed to be a permanent issue. Of course any bubbles or issues will show up even more on a black car…

The first guard looked terrible, and I was really not sure if all those bubbles were going to evaporate. It also reminded me of another forum members post where he described his new stone guards as going all cloudy, and subsequently he decided to pull them off, only to have the paint come away also.

There was no way I was gong to risk this so I decided it would be best to trust the bubbles would evaporate over time.

Before proceeding with the other side I changed to a different spray bottle which lessened the micro bubbles, but not entirely. I still had some issues on the other side, and by this time figured:
1. I am really not good at this particular DIY (entirely possible)
2. There was an issue with the adhesive on the guards that I bought, despite being OEM (not too likely)
3. There was a reaction with the soap solution and the adhesive (possible)
4. irrespective of any of the above, all bubbles would evaporate within a couple of weeks (hopefully )

I’m pleased to say that the bubbles did indeed evaporate.

Below you can see that after only 2 days a lot of the micro bubbles were gone and some smaller ones remained. (sorry about the poor quality pics - taken with cell phone)







Finally after about 2 weeks (mostly in the garage - the car was only outside a few hours over that period) they turned out 100% perfect as the pictures show below. There are zero remaining bubbles of any kind.

What a huge relief!!!









EMC2 is offline  
Old 11-20-2016, 10:04 PM
  #2  
CAVU
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
CAVU's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Southern Maryland
Posts: 667
Default

Nicely done. Thanks.
CAVU is offline  
Old 11-20-2016, 11:27 PM
  #3  
kellen
Addict
Lifetime Rennlist
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 1,396
Default

I need to tackle this. Thanks for the hints!
kellen is offline  
Old 11-21-2016, 12:21 AM
  #4  
ru'
User
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: UAE
Posts: 180
Default

Great write up; bet you were glad the bubbles completely disappeared!
ru' is offline  
Old 11-21-2016, 01:03 AM
  #5  
slicky rick
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,151
Default

wow your the man! that was one heck of a job for the stone guards. even measured the temp of the heat gun and surface. i hope you will allow me to share some of my experience doing this. when already installing the guard i sprayed the sticky side with a shampoo and water solution. thoroughly covering the sticky side. sprayed the body panel too. stuck the guard and with the shampoo, i could move it around to align the guard to where i would like it to be. afterwards, used a squeegee to push out the shampoo from underneathe the guard. thats it. no bubbles too... just sharing

Last edited by slicky rick; 11-21-2016 at 01:58 AM.
slicky rick is offline  
Old 11-21-2016, 01:42 AM
  #6  
Ten Years
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
Ten Years's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 817
Default

Nice job. I went through the exact same process on my GT Silver car. I think it showed far fewer bubbles, though, perhaps because of the lighter color. I removed the stone guards on my Carrara White car just last week, and will install the new ones soon. Hoping it goes as smoothly as the first time. It is cool to see them get perfect.

Btw, your stripes look great. Subtle. I want the same, but solid black stripes on a white car are a bit bold for me. Maybe I can go with GT Silver stripes, as a tribute to my beloved C2S. ;-) Your car looks clean, overall. Congrats.
Ten Years is offline  
Old 11-21-2016, 12:17 PM
  #7  
Ben Z
User
 
Ben Z's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 1,242
Default

Successful removal apparently depends a lot on the condition of the old guards. Mine were matte and cracked due to age and being baked in the sun. A dealer and several body shops all said it was doubtful they would come off without paint damage. I finally took it to an expert film installer who said the same thing but had lots of experience and I figured if anyone could do it, they could. However they were unable to remove them without some of the clear coat coming off. I would have showed through new clear guards, so what we decided was to put on gloss black ones (which luckily matched the paint extremely well) and overlay those with 3M clear. The result, fortunately, was excellent. But the lesson learned here is not to wait until the guards are too far gone as I did.
Ben Z is offline  
Old 11-21-2016, 06:22 PM
  #8  
ElectricChair
Addict
Rennlist Member
 
ElectricChair's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Central Florida
Posts: 1,597
Default

Thank you for another great write up!
ElectricChair is offline  
Old 11-23-2016, 12:09 PM
  #9  
jsalah
User
 
jsalah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Moorestown, NJ / Philly, PA
Posts: 994
Default

I've said it before and will say it again... This community can be AMAZING (as long as one avoids the politics thread like the plague ha...) -- Posts like this make this an incredible resource. Thank you.
jsalah is offline  
 


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: OEM Clear Stone Guard DIY - PLEASE READ before trying - could save you some stress


Contact Us - About Us - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: