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I had a similar issue with a CPO C5 MN6 vette with 21,000 miles bought 15 years ago. The dealer replaced the clutch at no cost to me after I drove it for a few days and the pedal dropped to floor. Back then, for a vette, the tab was just under $900. If a Chevy dealer backs this up, I'd certainly expect a P dealer to do the same.
I had a very similar experience with a CPO GTS a few years ago. The dealer covered the full cost of the replacement. IIRC it was about $2k. Technically the warranty did not cover this repair, but they wanted to maintain the goodwill.
It was Hennessey in Atlanta. Other than repeatedly forgetting my PCA discount when I get service, I generally have been pretty happy with them.
The total estimate came out to a little of over 4k. Looking over the estimate, the flywheel was also included which another member pointed out accurately, that this inflates the cost, plus 10hrs labor at $159 per hr.
Does the car need a Flywheel replacement...lots of various opinions on that... I think on what I read it depends on what it looks like when its opened up.
Similar story even with a PPI. Bought a 996 10 years ago. Car was still under warranty so I had a PPI done at a dealer. Car checked out fine, but 1000 miles later I needed a new clutch. I put another 60k on the car until I traded up to a 997
I'm sure the actual mechanics would appreciate those $150-$180 an hour numbers. It's the darn dealers having to pay the overhead of over the top showrooms, etc.
Thanks to another local Atlanta Rennlister - I'm now in touch with a vetted non-dealer place to work on not only my GTS, but both of my BMW's.
i would agree with this approach. a family member picked up a cpo rx350 lexus recently... i went to see the car in person the day that it was purchased (and bought home).... noticed immediately that one of the rear doors were repainted (overspray) and with misalignment in the panel gaps.
went right back to the lexus dealership the next day and asked why that obvious accident/door repair/removal/re-install could have been missed after their proud CPO multipoint checklist (not to mention also missed by the final crew that details the car before delivery).
they must have held 3 meetings while i was here, and took the car back. of course i made them pull out that CPO checklist where there was a checkmark re satisfactory visual inspection with regards to prior accidents.
i would definitely follow squid42's advice and ask for the supporting documentation.
now with all that said, i was also under the impression that on avg a clutch for a manual car is 60k miles... i would figure that you aren't that far off from standard maintenance / replacement.
Request the form, which will have "clutch pedal action" marked as fail or pass. It will also have the name of the person who did the test.
If they refuse to give you this sheet or say they cannot find it they are in violation of Porsche's CPO program. Tell them that you will sort with out with Porsche if there is no progress. If they give you the sheet and it says "pass" you can document the clutch point with a video and the opinion of the new dealer, send it to the selling dealer and again threaten that the next step is PCA.
My manual 2017 BOXSTER 718S had a transmission failure at 11,000 miles. Third gear just stopped engaging. Happened while driving on the track. Dealer states it will be covered by the warranty but I have to wait "weeks" for a transmission to be shipped from Germany. It was an unpleasant experience to suddenly lose a gear while 25 other cars are racing past plus it ruined a $1000 track weekend and cost me $500 to have the car towed home. It's hard to be dispassionate about the low rate of failure on Porsches and the good service from the dealer when the failure happens to you.
This is an old thread. jntn2002 never told us what finally took place. I am in the camp of "buyer beware". My 2010 C4S bought last year, CPO with 51K miles, needed a new clutch and flywheel at 53K miles. Stuff like this happens. I probably didn't need to change the flywheel, but is was only an additional half hour of labor so I went with it. I had an indy shop do it.
I've posted about a few issues recently with a clutch thump on 1-2/2-3 shifts and difficulty getting into 1st gear from a stop on my recently purchased CPO 2010 997.2 with 44,000 miles. I purchased it CPO'd from an out of state dealer in late August 2020, and got the car PPI'd at a local indy near the dealer that got good reviews on Rennlist. The car checked out great, no DME revs above Zone 1, so it was babied. Due to COVID, I could not travel to test out the car myself, so I had it shipped via enclosed carrier to me.
I took the car into my local Porsche dealer today and they said the clutch is on its way out. It's not slipping yet, but it would probably start slipping soon. The dealer quoted me $5k for a clutch and flywheel, which is way high, I know, based upon other threads on this subject (thanks Bruce in Philly). I will be reaching out to the selling dealer to see if they are willing to help me out. Not too thrilled now, but it seems like it's not uncommon situation, even with a PPI, based upon this thread.
The $5K on a clutch job inevitably includes a new flywheel. You should talk to the dealer to make sure the flywheel needs replacing. There is noway to tell if the flywheel needs replacing unless the clutch is removed. Normally a flywheel does not need replacing unless the clutch has worn down to the rivets that scored the flywheel, If that is the case there are telltale signs way before that happens. The fact that they say the clutch needs replacing soon tells you it hasn't worn down to the level that needs a new flywheel. When I had my 997.2 's clutch replaced by Fremont Porsche it only cost me $1.7K. Day and night difference from the $5K quotation from your dealers. Its a landmine out there if you are willing to hand them your checkbook.
Yes, the dealer did say that they wouldn't know if the flywheel needed replacing until they opened it up, and 90% of the time it is ok, but they quoted me the price as including it. I wouldn't do this at the dealer, I would take it to my Porsche specialist Indy. I'm pretty sure the selling dealer will deny coverage, and I'll just be looking at a clutch replacement at some point soon.
Originally Posted by HenryPcar
The $5K on a clutch job inevitably includes a new flywheel. You should talk to the dealer to make sure the flywheel needs replacing. There is noway to tell if the flywheel needs replacing unless the clutch is removed. Normally a flywheel does not need replacing unless the clutch has worn down to the rivets that scored the flywheel, If that is the case there are telltale signs way before that happens. The fact that they say the clutch needs replacing soon tells you it hasn't worn down to the level that needs a new flywheel. When I had my 997.2 's clutch replaced by Fremont Porsche it only cost me $1.7K. Day and night difference from the $5K quotation from your dealers. Its a landmine out there if you are willing to hand them your checkbook.
08-13-2016, 08:17 AM
