blitz997

So I've had my Macadamia PDK for about 5 months now, and as much as I love my car with the PDK, I really, really miss driving a manual tranny. I wouldn't have purchased a PDK to begin with but over here, 6 speeds are basically non existent - perhaps 1 out of 50 to 100 997s were sold with manual transmissions; what's more annoying now is that you can't even buy a new Porsche in a manual trans- it simply isn't even offered here. 997.2 were the last ones to be offered manual tranny in here in Korea. In other words, no 991s with stick shift at all. I honestly dont care if it's a base or and S, I just want to drive a 997 in stickshift -- plus I think the base has more than enough bang for buck.

So I have been regularly searching for a 997.2 with a 6speed and found one with only 5k miles [has bose, sport chrono] but the owner wants 84k USD for it. Other 997.2s with 20 to 30k miles are going for about 65 to 70k. I had paid about 72k with 20k miles.

Relatively, do you guys think the S is worth 84k? Also, how much would a 09 S with 5k miles in 6 speed go for in the states? Im thinking about just doing a direct import from the states.

Thanks

Rikky001

Hi,

You are talking about prices in Korea, right?
Yes, not too much manual transmissions here but they are available. The 991 can be ordered with a manual gearbox on request.
Are you a native Korean or expat?
The price is a bit exotic for the manual 997.2 but a manual is exotic too here A manual is very difficult to sell here second hand; you need to find the crazy person who really wants a manual and want to pay for it.

blitz997

I was at the dealer on Saturday and they flat out said "No." They said it's because of noise regulations-- which sounded like complete bull to me. I'm native Korean. I see your plates are Korean too. You around Seoul?

Rikky001

Hi, new to me as a few years ago I was told this was possible. Maybe things have changed...
No, I am from the South; Geoje island. Porsche Club Korea member, Busan branch.

DC911S

There is a 997.1 S for sale in the DC area at a dealer with 23K miles...for 52K US dollars. I've never seen a 5K miles for sale that old here, for a 997.1 or 997.2.

WV997S

Careful speaking down about the magical PDK around here, seems you might offend a few people that are sensitive about it!

Sounds like a lot of money to me for the manual, but I have found not buying what you wants always comes with more remorse than a great buy.

Dennis C

It sounds like the real question here is: How much would you pay for it?

if you really want it, then negotiate the best possible deal and don't look back.

Para82

What's the market value of the 997.1? KBB has my 997.1 S valued much lower than that and my options include Carbon Ceramics, Adaptive Seats, Full Leather, PSE...etc.

kk2

Low mile (under 10,000) 997.2 c2s seem to be in the low $60,000 range these days. Manual may drive the price up a small amount.

Para82

I know a beautiful black 2012 997.2 C4S, 6 speed with 25,000 miles in California asking $60,000.

Jaskfri

If you plan to buy it to keep and drive several thousand miles per year, in a few years it won't matter much if you bought a 5k miles car or a 25k miles car. I wouldn't pay a huge premium for 5k miles now unless I was buying it to not drive it/garage queen. I would also be concerned this car was not driven enough.
If it's the perfect color and options that is worth a premium .

BIG smoke

Trade him.

Bruce In Philly

2009 C2S

From the cheap seats........

IMO, folks on this board are willing to pay more than I think someone can get after doing a bit more work. I purchased my 2009 C2S manual with 26K miles on it for $53K in 2012 from a Volvo dealer in Minnesota in the dead of January. It had a bad Carfax saying "hit a wild animal". I had a PPI from a Porsche indy who dumped the computer... 0 overevs and they said "if this was in an accident, we see no evidence of it". Done. 75K miles later and no issues.

You biggest source of real information is the Manheim auction numbers as that tells you what the price floor is. Above which, is profit. By the way, the wholesale market, the Manheim system, doesn't track options other than transmission, color and one or two other items I can't remember beyond miles, condition, body type. Options are all psychology to get you to pay more. If a dealer received the car in trade, their cost most likely is lower than the Manheim price. I had the national Manheim reports and I paid at or just lower than auction price for my car.... came off lease.

Of course if you love the car, are impatient, and swimming in money or are just fiscally irresponsible, then pay whatever and enjoy. I just can't do that. Say things to yourself like "life is too short", or "you could be dead tomorrow", or "you can't take it with you"..... etc etc etc., but then you just may live a long time......

Peace
Bruce in Philly

kk2

In January of 2012 specialty car prices were much lower then they are today. Manual, low mile 997.2 c2s probably stayed stagnant or appreciated since that point in time. The economy is doing well and people have a lot of purchasing power.

Combine that with the fact that the 991 feels like a totally different car and people are willing to pay more than what you paid because cars like the 997.2 are becoming more and more rare.

The gt2/3 market is also driving the c2s price upwards. Look at how much they appreciated since you bought your car. There are lots of factors at play here and your experience back then is not totally relevant to today's market.

Of course I might be wrong as well

pewter82

Manhiem is just a tool you can use to bid a car on trade in, dealers use many other programs such as Vauto to get a better view of just about every other identical car on the market including auctions, where some are sent due to reasons the dealer didn't want the car or couldn't sell it, so you need to base your pricing to all the factors going on at a certain time, economy, season of the year, supply and demand.

My research before landing on a 09 was that the car is almost identical to a 12, but the depreciation curve has leveled out more than the 12 which is still trending down. Look for a low mile, get a PPI, and only pay what YOU feel is enough.