lusitanogalician

Hello - Looking for input from those with knowledge of the market values for the 997.2 S.
- whether it is priced right based on year, mileage, options, etc.
- any red flags, etc.

This is a two owner and no accidents per carfax, last sold as a CPO. I have not seen the car in person, but from the pictures it looks in very good condition.

Thanks in advance. .


2009 Porsche 911 S
Mileage: 64,302 miles
Exterior: Guards Red
Interior: Black Leather
Transmission: Manual
Engine: 3.8L
$49K

Options:
619 Bluetooth Phone Interface
640 Sport Chrono Package Plus
672 Navigation Module for PCM
680 Bose High End Sound Package
810 Floor Mats in Interior Color
870 Universal Audio Interface AN
Black Standard Leather G1 Guards Red P15 Pwr Comfort Seats w/Driver Mem MSRP- $95,285 UPGRADE- Clear OEM Tail Lights
Carfax certified, Autocheck certified, previously sold as a Porsche CPO


Carfax below



Owner 1
Purchased: 2009
Type: Personal lease
Where: Florida
Est. miles/year: 6,045/yr
Est. length owned: 7/11/09 -
3/2/12
(2 yrs. 7 mo.)


Low mileage! This owner drove less than the industry average of 15,000 miles per year.

Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
03/30/2009 The Collection
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Vehicle offered for sale
05/07/2009 5 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Pre-delivery inspection completed
Interior cleaned
Washed/detailed
07/11/2009 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept. Vehicle purchase reported
Registration issued or renewed
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Vehicle color noted as Red
08/03/2009 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Miami, FL
Title #0102856214 Title issued or updated
Title or registration issued
First owner reported
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Loan or lien reported
Vehicle color noted as Red
09/18/2009 965 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Vehicle serviced
10/09/2009 1,367 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Cup holder replaced
01/29/2010 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Miami, FL
Title #0102856214 Registration issued or renewed
Loan or lien reported
Registration updated when owner moved
the vehicle to a new location
Vehicle color noted as Red
04/16/2010 5,458 German Auto Care
Coral Gables, FL
Oil and filter changed
07/15/2010 6,736 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Vehicle serviced
10/11/2010 8,205 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Tire(s) balanced
Two tires mounted
12/31/2010 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Miami, FL
Title #0102856214 Registration issued or renewed
Loan or lien reported
Registration updated when owner moved
the vehicle to a new location
Vehicle color noted as Red
03/07/2011 10,864 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Maintenance inspection completed
Engine/powertrain computer/module checked
Fluids checked
Tire condition and pressure checked
01/19/2012 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Miami, FL
Title #0102856214 Registration issued or renewed
Loan or lien reported
Vehicle color noted as Red
02/27/2012 15,897 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Four wheel alignment performed
Tire(s) balanced
Two tires mounted
03/02/2012 15,984 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale


Owner 2
Purchased: 2012
Type: Personal lease
Where: Florida
Est. miles/year: 12,118/yr
Est. length owned: 3/2/12 -
2/22/16
(3 yrs. 11 mo.)


Low mileage! This owner drove less than the industry average of 15,000 miles per year.

Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
03/02/2012 15,990 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Miami Beach, FL
Title #0102856214 Vehicle purchase reported
Registration issued or renewed
Titled or registered as personal lease vehicle
Loan or lien reported
Vehicle color noted as Red
03/23/2012 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Miami Beach, FL
Title #0102856214 Title issued or updated
New owner reported
Vehicle color noted as Red
10/24/2012 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Miami Beach, FL
Title #0102856214 Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as Red
07/17/2013 32,937 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Tire(s) balanced
Two tires mounted
08/30/2013 35,022 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Ashtray repaired
Brake fluid flushed/changed
Console repaired
09/17/2013 35,494 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Battery replaced
10/01/2013 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Miami Beach, FL
Title #0102856214 Registration issued or renewed
Registration updated when owner moved
the vehicle to a new location
Vehicle color noted as Red
04/30/2014 43,705 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Cup holder replaced
Door lock(s) replaced/repaired
Four wheel alignment performed
Tire(s) balanced
Tire(s) mounted
06/10/2014 45,413 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Vehicle serviced
10/09/2014 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Miami Beach, FL
Title #0102856214 Registration issued or renewed
Vehicle color noted as Red
04/29/2015 55,755 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Anti-theft/keyless remote battery replaced
Brake fluid flushed/changed
05/12/2015 56,003 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Vehicle serviced
09/21/2015 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Miami Beach, FL
Title #0102856214 Registration issued or renewed
Registration updated when owner moved
the vehicle to a new location
Vehicle color noted as Red
02/22/2016 Auto Auction
Florida Vehicle sold at auction
Listed as a dealer vehicle


Millions of used vehicles are bought and sold at auction every year.
02/24/2016 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale
02/25/2016 64,296 THE COLLECTION
Coral Gables, FL
305-444-5555
thecollection.com Vehicle serviced
02/26/2016 Dealer Inventory Vehicle offered for sale
02/26/2016 Dealer Inventory Vehicle sold
02/26/2016 64,297 Florida
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Miami Beach, FL
Title #0102856214 Title issued or updated
Duplicate title issued
Vehicle color noted as Red
05/05/2016 myCARFAX Manufacturer Recommended Maintenance Schedules

nk215

I personally think the price is about right.

No red flag. It's obviously owned and well cared for by an older gentlemen. Note the cup holder (warranty), battery, key battery serviced by dealer; few young car enthusiastic owners let dealer charged them for battery jobs. That's a positive point.

Both owners obviously have great relationship with the car dealer.

I didn't see a 20K,30K miles services but that's no big deal. Owner prob had indi did it.

lusitanogalician

Appreciate any input from members. I have added the carfax inf.

lusitanogalician

Thank you nk215. Good observations. I will do some reseach on the big items for the 20k/30k service. I will do a PPI should I decide to move forward. Looks like it was auctioned this year to the current dealer.

marsirover

I would give a little more digging around for more detail. I recently acquired a launch edition 2009 C4S with all the options you have listed plus Bose high end sound package, XM radio, PAG lanch code, full leather, with GT2 sport seats, and only 30K mile on it from a CA dealer. Has been a CA car from the start (if you are trying to stay away from snowy areas, thus minimize the body rust risk in the future). I was able to close the deal at $55k plus tax and lic. Just want to give a number out so you have a figure in mind. A clean 997.2 4S in south california with loaded options is hard to find, since there are more demand for it and low supply. It took me more than a year to find her. Good luck with the search.

OKB

personally I think 64k mi is too much, I would look for cars with lower miles, no matter what the year I would look at cars with 35 to 50 max

zirrah

Price is decent. I would offer $45k and see what that gets you. Otherwise seems like a nice car. Oh and definitely get a PPI if you are serious about it. The fact that it was previously sold as a CPO car doesn't really mean much, who knows what it needs right now, which is really all that matters.

vbb

But why? It looks like the 2nd owner had the car for 4 years and drove it an average of 1,000mi a month, which means it was not a garage queen. Fluids were cycled through the car and it was well maintained.

I know it is a manner of personal preference, but there seems to be somewhat of a fear that these cars self destruct after a certain amount of mileage, which is not true. Low mileage cars can have tons of problems, and higher mileage cars can run perfectly. It ALL depends on how they were maintained.

Now, if the OP is looking to drive the car for a year or two and then sell it, yes, definitely invest in a lower mileage vehicle, because that is what will be easier to sell--a lot of people have a rather irrational fear about driving a 911 over XXX number of miles.

But if the OP is looking to keep the car, enjoy it, and drive it for years to come, do not be afraid of a car with 60K miles. The price is in range of decent, but I would make sure that it passes a PPI and I'd get the seller to throw in everything that would be included in the 60K miles service. Especially check the tires, as they have over 20K miles on them, and also check the brakes (rotors and pads).

Good luck!

SAN997

"Owned" by whom? It says it was leased twice? What is this, some kind of used car lease?

I try to stay away from cars with a lengthy history of leasing.

lusitanogalician

Thanks for all the feedback everyone…. Very pleased with the willingness to provide guidance here. I called the dealership and they kindly disclosed that they've repainted the front hood, due to the number of excessive large chips for the mileage. They purchased a car in a recent auction before repainting the hood and putting it up for sale. This is a dealership known for having a pretty good inventory of P-cars. Maybe previous owner may have done highway miles driving too close to trucks, who knows. For the price point I think this is a hard stop for me. Unless they're willing to sell the car for significantly less. I'm just gonna take my time to find a clean example... I've been specifically looking at the 997.2's. Or maybe I will consider a 2009 or later cayman s, or Cayman R. Again thanks for all the feedback and I'm looking forward to finally finding my match. Cheers

OKB

these cars are not daily driven, so they should have low miles due to non useage. If somebody buys a 911 and drives it every day, or leases it and drive the hel out of it, good for him, but you dont want to buy THAT car. You buy the one that has been pampared and not used up.
this car is not cpo warranteed, so they are not fixing anything it needs .
they will tell you everything it needs after you buy it. I see no brake work for 64k mi, so it needs complete brakes, thats a few thousand $, it had tires 2 yrs ago, so it needs tires,
Not to mention any engine tune up, anything else not working. So at 65K mi, its due for alot of service and its not warranteed. Id look at lower mileage cars and find one thats so good they are cpo ing it.

Robocop305

I rather buy a car that has been driven instead of one that sat in a garage. Ask any Porsche mechanic and he will tell you that his most frequent customers are the garage queens.

sub150

SoFla lease car...just move on.

porscheaudi1

I was worried when I bought my 2009 997.2 c2s. I wanted really low miles because I thought that higher miles would mean more problems. I bought it in 2012 with 5200 miles and now at 46000. It runs great. Nothing but oil and filters, other fluids and lots of tires! Wouldn't worry too much about miles--more about no other red flags.

AutobahnMac911

I have a 2005 with 59k and it still looks and runs like a new car. Admittedly I have replaced the motor 3k miles ago, but that was due to an IMS failure which was corrected on 2008 and later cars so you don't have that exposure. I comment because while my motor may be new everything else has 60k and the car shows little to no indication of slowing down any time soon even though I run DE track events a few times a year and drive the car another 2k miles or so a year locally.

That said, I agree with the earlier poster that recommended you base your decision on what you plan to do with the car in the future. Though a 75k mileage Porsche may still make a fantastic car, the percentage of the market that wants one is significantly smaller so your resale value will likely be more volatile than a much lower mileage car.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out!