997.1 vs 997.2 and the "big difference"?
04-01-2016, 04:56 PM
#47
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Here are the reasons of why I shelled out extra $10K for my 997.2 C4S vs 997.1 C4S last year (not in order of preference):
1. Easier oil change on .2, you don't have to lift the car to change the oil filter.
2. Bigger brake than .1, albeit by just a little.
3. Revised suspension. The .2 seems to dampen the higher frequency bumps better than .1
3. C4S now comes with mechanical LSD.
4. Electronic F/R differential that reacts faster to driving conditions (so they said).
5. Ventilated seats are finally available. Very important here in CA.
6. New PCM including the Bluetooth, larger screen, iPod integration AND Sat Radio.
7. No IMS (I think this was the biggest reason).
8. DFI (better mileage and more power).
9. Better looking standard wheels (IMHO)
10. LED lighting all around + the adaptive cornering lights (I love it in my BMW).
11. I liked the black keys (.2) better than the silver keys (.1)
12. I loved the silver painted front air inlets on .2 4S's
13. I almost forgot the 30 extra HP. It's nice to have some extra power.
14. Bigger side mirrors. What can I say, I am old and bigger mirrors helps.
1. Easier oil change on .2, you don't have to lift the car to change the oil filter.
2. Bigger brake than .1, albeit by just a little.
3. Revised suspension. The .2 seems to dampen the higher frequency bumps better than .1
3. C4S now comes with mechanical LSD.
4. Electronic F/R differential that reacts faster to driving conditions (so they said).
5. Ventilated seats are finally available. Very important here in CA.
6. New PCM including the Bluetooth, larger screen, iPod integration AND Sat Radio.
7. No IMS (I think this was the biggest reason).
8. DFI (better mileage and more power).
9. Better looking standard wheels (IMHO)
10. LED lighting all around + the adaptive cornering lights (I love it in my BMW).
11. I liked the black keys (.2) better than the silver keys (.1)
12. I loved the silver painted front air inlets on .2 4S's
13. I almost forgot the 30 extra HP. It's nice to have some extra power.
14. Bigger side mirrors. What can I say, I am old and bigger mirrors helps.
04-01-2016, 05:39 PM
#48
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yup cosmetically they are the same just about..
I wonder if the 991.1 guys are going to have this debate with the 991.2 guys
And than say how their outdated 9A1 engine sounds better, how the rear steering doesn't matter, how the electronic rear diff isn't a big difference, or they don't care for the new LED rear lights
But hey park them side by side no one can tell difference between a 991.1 and a 991.2!
I wonder if the 991.1 guys are going to have this debate with the 991.2 guys
And than say how their outdated 9A1 engine sounds better, how the rear steering doesn't matter, how the electronic rear diff isn't a big difference, or they don't care for the new LED rear lights
But hey park them side by side no one can tell difference between a 991.1 and a 991.2!
04-01-2016, 05:41 PM
#49
Actually, the difference is a lot less than $10K down the road when you sell the car. If you assume that 6 years from now, the .1 cars are worth $35K and the .2 cars are worth $40K. You essentially recoup $5K back. So you'll only end up spending $5K extra on .2 vs .1, or just the difference between their selling prices down the road, what ever the future holds.
04-01-2016, 06:12 PM
#50
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Thread Starter
Here are the reasons of why I shelled out extra $10K for my 997.2 C4S vs 997.1 C4S last year (not in order of preference):
1. Easier oil change on .2, you don't have to lift the car to change the oil filter.
2. Bigger brake than .1, albeit by just a little.
3. Revised suspension. The .2 seems to dampen the higher frequency bumps better than .1
3. C4S and all 4's now comes with mechanical LSD. This is a big ticket item.
4. Electronic F/R differential that reacts faster to driving conditions (so they said).
5. Ventilated seats are finally available. Very important here in CA.
6. New PCM including the available Bluetooth, larger screen, available iPod integration AND Sat Radio.
7. No more IMS (I think this was the biggest reason).
8. DFI (better mileage).
9. Better looking standard wheels (IMHO)
10. LED lighting all around + the available adaptive cornering lights (I love it in my BMW).
11. I liked the black keys (.2) better than the silver keys (.1)
12. I love the silver painted front air inlets on .2 4S's
13. I almost forgot the 30 extra HP. It's nice to have some extra power.
14. Bigger side mirrors. What can I say, I am old and bigger mirror helps.
1. Easier oil change on .2, you don't have to lift the car to change the oil filter.
2. Bigger brake than .1, albeit by just a little.
3. Revised suspension. The .2 seems to dampen the higher frequency bumps better than .1
3. C4S and all 4's now comes with mechanical LSD. This is a big ticket item.
4. Electronic F/R differential that reacts faster to driving conditions (so they said).
5. Ventilated seats are finally available. Very important here in CA.
6. New PCM including the available Bluetooth, larger screen, available iPod integration AND Sat Radio.
7. No more IMS (I think this was the biggest reason).
8. DFI (better mileage).
9. Better looking standard wheels (IMHO)
10. LED lighting all around + the available adaptive cornering lights (I love it in my BMW).
11. I liked the black keys (.2) better than the silver keys (.1)
12. I love the silver painted front air inlets on .2 4S's
13. I almost forgot the 30 extra HP. It's nice to have some extra power.
14. Bigger side mirrors. What can I say, I am old and bigger mirror helps.
Coming from an M3 and comparing the 2 cars, the statistics don’t show a HUGE difference in any one area, but the entirety of the car and especially the “feel” is what sets it at a new level for me. The 911 isn’t 2x the car the M3 is, and this is when we start to get into the law of diminishing returns. My bro has a 991 and I don’t think it is worth 2x the price that mine is, but I am sure he thinks so. I have made the mistake in the past with some items of purchasing a less than top of the line item and regretted it later (I HATE that “dang, I should have bought” feeling), but I have never done this with a car, and I still feel that way (again, given my priorities).
04-01-2016, 06:18 PM
#51
I also prefer the 997.1 look, though it isn't nearly as stark as the change from the decent looking 987.1 to the disastrous 987.2.
Having said that, one big advantage in my book is the mechanical LSD with SPASM on the .2. If you don't track your car, you probably won't notice. For me, seeing the return of the LSD on a standard Carrera was long overdue. Of course, installing an aftermarket LSD in a 997.1 is actually easier than on most cars thanks to the access panel in the diff housing. Also, adding a center radiator for track use only costs a couple hundred dollars. I guess I have a bias which shows.
Having said that, one big advantage in my book is the mechanical LSD with SPASM on the .2. If you don't track your car, you probably won't notice. For me, seeing the return of the LSD on a standard Carrera was long overdue. Of course, installing an aftermarket LSD in a 997.1 is actually easier than on most cars thanks to the access panel in the diff housing. Also, adding a center radiator for track use only costs a couple hundred dollars. I guess I have a bias which shows.
04-01-2016, 06:20 PM
#52
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Why would anyone want to buy a 997.2 vs .1 when all you get is an updated NAV.....
I can barely tell the difference cosmetically and I know what the differences are. I bet if you gave an uninformed person 10 mins to look at the 2 side by side that they probably couldn't tell
Sure a few extra horses would be nice but it was hardly a ground breaking move
Besides, the 997.1 sounds sooooo much better!!
I can barely tell the difference cosmetically and I know what the differences are. I bet if you gave an uninformed person 10 mins to look at the 2 side by side that they probably couldn't tell
Sure a few extra horses would be nice but it was hardly a ground breaking move
Besides, the 997.1 sounds sooooo much better!!
04-01-2016, 07:00 PM
#54
04-01-2016, 08:27 PM
#56
and you can spend $5k more and get a AWD, and then few $k more and get a targa, or $30k more and get a Turbo....
I would like to have a .2 at times, but sometimes the .1 is the right car at the right time.
The interior sucks in both. Let's not pretend the 997 wins any awards for the interior. It's laughable when compared to any luxury car of the same generation.
I would like to have a .2 at times, but sometimes the .1 is the right car at the right time.
The interior sucks in both. Let's not pretend the 997 wins any awards for the interior. It's laughable when compared to any luxury car of the same generation.
04-01-2016, 08:46 PM
#57
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and you can spend $5k more and get a AWD, and then few $k more and get a targa, or $30k more and get a Turbo....
I would like to have a .2 at times, but sometimes the .1 is the right car at the right time.
The interior sucks in both. Let's not pretend the 997 wins any awards for the interior. It's laughable when compared to any luxury car of the same generation.
I would like to have a .2 at times, but sometimes the .1 is the right car at the right time.
The interior sucks in both. Let's not pretend the 997 wins any awards for the interior. It's laughable when compared to any luxury car of the same generation.
Isn't any infotainment argument thrown out when you can probably purchase a $500 current unit that is significantly better than what was avail in 2009?
I guess I am just not one of those guys that goes to a car show or cars and coffee and look at ANY in dash screen and say "wow, wish I had that" (in fact I don't even look at that area of the car). Now the 30 extra hp? Now we are talking about a little genuine jealously.
04-01-2016, 10:27 PM
#59
Yes, that is the way it is supposed to work. Porsche created this image, IMO, because geeks like us would pass it around when this subject came up.
To the OP: DFI engine is no small change. It is a totally new block. I also know from replacing the shocks in my 2009 C2S there are suspension differences. Nobody seemed to write about them but the car configuration in the rears is different. Did Porsche do this to fit the new engine or did they improve the system? I dunno, but there are more substantive differences than just the block.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
The 997.2 has 4 valves per cylinder, and one DFI injector per cylinder.
The injector does not shoot at the back of the valves, but rather between them and into the combustion chamber.
04-02-2016, 12:32 AM
#60
Nordschleife Master
Takes some work and some $ but you can get a .2 pretty close. The Tubi on my -09 C4S was excellent but I like the PSE/Sharkwerks bypass combo even better. On par with the -06 C4S with Tubi as far as my ears can tell. Splitting hairs I wouldn't disagree with anyone who says the .1 still has bit more grunt to it.