w1234ale

All,

So based upon your advice I went ahead with the borescoping and light scoring was found--see photos.

Aside from the ignition coils/plugs needing to be replaced, the car is in overall great condition.

The car is a c2s, 30k miles, one owner, selling price: 43k.

I have been quoted a $2,500 for a 3-year powertrain extended warrantee.

I was thinking about having the price of the car reduced by the cost of the warrantee plus the cost of the coils plugs. What do you think?

Would you walk away?

Rikky001

Light bore scoring...
I would run away as. As there is no cheap fix for this, it will only get worse.
An overhauled engine cost you 15- 20 000 USD minimum.
Were all cylinders on bank 2 (passenger side) affected or only 1? The most forward one? How did the sparkplugs look like? The one with the bore scoring must have been very black with carbon build up?
The topic about bore scoring is well documented on the various forums.
43K for a 30K car with bore scoring... Maybe somebody else has a different opinion but for me this car would be out of question.

chuck911

The way I would look at it, that motor is shot. It may run great now but the writing's on the wall. If everything else about the car was exactly what I wanted, then I would factor in about $20k for a proper Raby rebuild and make an offer. They probably won't want to take $23k, but given the scoring, the reality is that's probably about what its worth. Your job is to not be the one who lives out the truth of that statement. On the other hand though, if you really like the car, then with a FSI motor in it you will LOVE the car! So it might be worth more than $23k. But not a lot more. And even then only if you're prepared for the months of waiting while they build your dream motor.

zirrah

I'd pass. Yikes, scary. Bore scoring check is a must for any 997 PPI

ATSR

OP, what model year is the car you are looking at?

golfnutintib

my question too

zirrah

Me too.

w1234ale

Model year 2006

BTW the engine number indicates that the car had the bigger IMS bearing so at least that is not a concern.

So even with a warrantee you would walk away? The tech wasn't too worried about the scoring.

Does the scoring get progressively worse from where it is now, or is the damage already done?

ATSR

Thanks OP. I would not walk away. I would RUN away.

BTW, the potential of this thread is off the charts.

zirrah

My understanding is that it gets worse and worse, and yes I would walk even with a warranty. Where are you going to be after the warranty expires???

gpjli2

Pass on that car. There is no shortage of good cars I am aware of. Wisely you listened before. Listen again. Keep shopping. Can you tell me where (which state) the car has spent it's previous life?

w1234ale

Here is some more info from the service tech who did the PPI

"The marks are at the top which means most likely they happened during cold starts because the oil settles to the bottom of the engine. When the vehicle turns on there isn’t as much lubrication at the top of the cylinders until the oil reaches them. Again he isn’t concerned about any long term damage from them. "

w1234ale

Summer car in ME

ralt12

Run away.

996SPECticle

As a newcomer to "modern" Porsches I've got to say this is some scary and disappointing sheet!
Ive read some of the threads concerning this where it seems this is a cold climate phenomenon, True? Mostly true? Has global warming hit Germany 1st and this wasn't found during R&D or long term testing? Are they using the Cadillac model that says If it fails after the warranty period it's not really a problem?
Is this non-existent in the 997.2 DI engine or worry about those also?