FYI on costs for a PDK clutch oil change
#31
I have an '09 PDK C2 and just did the 60K mile service. The PDK clutch oil just needed to be change and the full service with the pan replacement isn't until 120K miles. The oil service was about $350-400ish at my local indy shop.
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Sawborg, It's my understanding that changing out the ATF clutch fluid requires PIWIS since the unit requires it to be in "fill mode" between a certain temp range (30 - 40 deg c). Does your Indy have PIWIS? If not, I'd be interested in how he did this correctly.
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Got my car back yesterday, and am so happy now. The Cayenne loaner that they gave me was really nice, but just does not compare to a 997.
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If they only drain the fluid from the unit until it is empty and filled it back then that wouldn't be at all effective, the fluid in the lines, clutch, and valving would still be old stuff since the pumps and switches weren't activated in fill mode. Or if they used some other fluid that would be catastrophic. There is only one you should use since it acts as a coolant, lubricant, and a clutch friction modifier and it includes warnings it will not mix with other similar fluids.
I guess Sawborg's cost isn't completely unbelievable though. I still wouldn't give my car to any indy until he could explain what the correct procedure for the PDK clutch fluid change is though. There's just too much at stake. I guess all this reminds me of the Audi story on Jalopnik back in December where the tech cut a hole through the aero pan, drained the dual-clutch fluid instead of the engine oil, then poured a full load of oil back into the already full engine and left the clutch fluid empty! http://jalopnik.com/lazy-idiots-at-l...pan-1748394648. Sawborg, I'm not saying that your indy would do anything like this however. I'd just want to know what he did do.
I went back and edited my prior post #11 after glancing back at it and realizing my estimates of the cost without the filter change were likely in error. I ended up estimating as little as $520+tax at a dealer if you were allowed to bring your own fluid so you don't pay their huge markup on that. Even the place I bought the fluid from no longer has it that cheap, I guess demand is ramping up now that more PDKs are hitting the 6 year point. If an indy charges significantly less for the labor and doesn't mark up the fluid, then I guess the posted prices are reasonable.
#38
I got mine serviced at StuttCar Service in Pasadena, CA (http://www.yelp.com/biz/stuttcar-service-pasadena). I've had my car for about a week since getting it serviced and I haven't had any issues. Peter and his crew does great quality work at reasonable shop prices. Peter was very thorough, I'd doubt they would take shortcuts and risk their great reputation by fumbling on a service job.
#39
Being an indy does not imply not having a PIWIS. One of the local indys here has two. And this is absolutely required to do the change properly.
But I was fearful about not having a Porsche dealer do this service. So I avoided the indy. That was my independent decision.
I ultimately opted to change the pan as well for a few reasons. I wanted to avoid a marginal seal in case of thread damage (not a factor on later cars ... mid 2010 and beyond), I wanted to see the filter (it was so clean I would not feel compelled by this again), and the dealer pulled the pan as a matter of routine (and the pan is not re-usable).
The last item was the kicker. The dealer did not know the first two concerns. Upon discussion, they gave me a heavy discount on the new pan!
At the end of the day, I'm happy.
But I was fearful about not having a Porsche dealer do this service. So I avoided the indy. That was my independent decision.
I ultimately opted to change the pan as well for a few reasons. I wanted to avoid a marginal seal in case of thread damage (not a factor on later cars ... mid 2010 and beyond), I wanted to see the filter (it was so clean I would not feel compelled by this again), and the dealer pulled the pan as a matter of routine (and the pan is not re-usable).
The last item was the kicker. The dealer did not know the first two concerns. Upon discussion, they gave me a heavy discount on the new pan!
At the end of the day, I'm happy.
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I'm totally with StormRue on this one...for me...no way would I let a indy touch PDK....A indy that doesn't has PIWIS and the proper tools can not properly service a PDK fluid change.
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EDIT: I looked at my quote again and now I'm wondering if the 2 things I got quotes for got mixed up. I asked for a quote for the PDK oil change along with a quote for the AWD controller oil change. I'm wondering if my service advisor swapped the details on these 2 oil changes.
This is what he quoted:
AWD Drive Controller Oil Change: $415, P&L, including 8 quarts of oil
PDK Clutch Oil Change: $495 P&L, including 2 quarts of oil
Maybe they're swapped? Thoughts?
Last edited by Q 997.2 C4S; 03-23-2016 at 11:50 PM. Reason: Added more information on same topic
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My Porsche dealer quoted me $495 (labor & materials) for the PDK clutch oil change. When I asked if I could bring the oil, he said yes, and that I'd need to bring 2 quarts. That makes me nervous to take mine in, so I haven't scheduled it yet. Anyone else had their dealer do this where they used only 2 quarts of oil?
EDIT: I looked at my quote again and now I'm wondering if the 2 things I got quotes for got mixed up. I asked for a quote for the PDK oil change along with a quote for the AWD controller oil change. I'm wondering if my service advisor swapped the details on these 2 oil changes.
This is what he quoted:
AWD Drive Controller Oil Change: $415, P&L, including 8 quarts of oil
PDK Clutch Oil Change: $495 P&L, including 2 quarts of oil
Maybe they're swapped? Thoughts?
EDIT: I looked at my quote again and now I'm wondering if the 2 things I got quotes for got mixed up. I asked for a quote for the PDK oil change along with a quote for the AWD controller oil change. I'm wondering if my service advisor swapped the details on these 2 oil changes.
This is what he quoted:
AWD Drive Controller Oil Change: $415, P&L, including 8 quarts of oil
PDK Clutch Oil Change: $495 P&L, including 2 quarts of oil
Maybe they're swapped? Thoughts?
Did they provide a part number or brand name on the quoted fluids? On my change they used Pentosin FFL-3 (Porsche part 00004320729). There are reports from others that another fluid has been used in their changes. On the Pentosin bottle it warns against mixing with any other similar fluid. If guess if the Pentosin is thoroughly flushed out when using a different fluid it would be okay, but in my case I'm glad they stuck with Pentosin since it raises no concern there.