997.1 IMS failure
05-21-2015, 10:05 AM
#18
ok now i get the vin/law suit range thing [doh] imho give yourself a week at least to calm down before you make a big decision .figure up your budget .cheapest fix is you buy a used motor and do all the work,most expensive is an aftermarket improved engine and they do the r+r. middle ground is you drop the car off at a good shop that does this type of work....they will be responsible for the used motor...eg...it is in their best interest to get a good motor because they would have to eat the r+r ,compared to if you get a motor and say put this in. make sure your budget includes belt/clutch/fluids/plugs/pump/hoses etc. those little things will add up. sorry about the car being out of time range that suxs.only you can figure out the bottom line here to keep it or dump it. myself i would dump it and buy another toy
05-21-2015, 11:42 AM
#19
My '05 (LN bearing done 28K miles ago) has 2 years to go on a platinum warranty, but most likely if the engine blew they would only pay for a used one. I would go that route and as soon as it was done I would drive straight to Carmax and unload it.
05-21-2015, 01:58 PM
#20
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Why not do that now then, before you take the $20,000 hit or upgrade to a .2 model? Just trying to understand the rationale behind getting rid of it after you've already paid to fix it, especially if the used motor you installed was an S with the larger bearing. I have not seen a single post where an active member with an S car and a post history has had one of the larger IMS bearings fail. Maybe they're out there, but I've not seen one. I don't count the posts with second hand info like "I know a guy" or "this mechanic told me", etc. I want the actual owner, like the OP here.
05-21-2015, 03:17 PM
#21
As to why I don't upgrade to a 997.2, I did consider it. But even with an OEM bearing there's only an 8% chance of IMSB failure in my car, and with the LN retrofit I figure those odds are down in the range of '06-'08 cars, 1% or so. So there's a 1% chance I might face a $20K expenditure for a new engine at some point. OTOH upgrading my '05 to an '09 would cost me roughly $20K, and there is virtually a 100% probability that '09 will depreciate another $20K. So economically, it makes more sense to stay with the '05. Especially for the next 2 years while I still have a full warranty.
05-21-2015, 03:20 PM
#22
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Well if you had read what I wrote, I clearly stated I have a warranty for 2 more years, so if the engine were to grenade, a used replacement would cost me only my $100 deductible. The '06 and up engines may be relatively immune to IMS failure, but there are other failiure modes, and the use and maintenance history of a used engine makes it an even riskier proposition.
As to why I don't upgrade to a 997.2, I did consider it. But even with an OEM bearing there's only an 8% chance of IMSB failure in my car, and with the LN retrofit I figure those odds are down in the range of '06-'08 cars, 1% or so. So there's a 1% chance I might face a $20K expenditure for a new engine at some point. OTOH upgrading my '05 to an '09 would cost me roughly $20K, and there is virtually a 100% probability that '09 will depreciate another $20K. So economically, it makes more sense to stay with the '05. Especially for the next 2 years while I still have a full warranty.
As to why I don't upgrade to a 997.2, I did consider it. But even with an OEM bearing there's only an 8% chance of IMSB failure in my car, and with the LN retrofit I figure those odds are down in the range of '06-'08 cars, 1% or so. So there's a 1% chance I might face a $20K expenditure for a new engine at some point. OTOH upgrading my '05 to an '09 would cost me roughly $20K, and there is virtually a 100% probability that '09 will depreciate another $20K. So economically, it makes more sense to stay with the '05. Especially for the next 2 years while I still have a full warranty.
05-21-2015, 03:30 PM
#23
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agreed completely ben. ben is your car an early or late '05?
Well if you had read what I wrote, I clearly stated I have a warranty for 2 more years, so if the engine were to grenade, a used replacement would cost me only my $100 deductible. The '06 and up engines may be relatively immune to IMS failure, but there are other failiure modes, and the use and maintenance history of a used engine makes it an even riskier proposition.
As to why I don't upgrade to a 997.2, I did consider it. But even with an OEM bearing there's only an 8% chance of IMSB failure in my car, and with the LN retrofit I figure those odds are down in the range of '06-'08 cars, 1% or so. So there's a 1% chance I might face a $20K expenditure for a new engine at some point. OTOH upgrading my '05 to an '09 would cost me roughly $20K, and there is virtually a 100% probability that '09 will depreciate another $20K. So economically, it makes more sense to stay with the '05. Especially for the next 2 years while I still have a full warranty.
As to why I don't upgrade to a 997.2, I did consider it. But even with an OEM bearing there's only an 8% chance of IMSB failure in my car, and with the LN retrofit I figure those odds are down in the range of '06-'08 cars, 1% or so. So there's a 1% chance I might face a $20K expenditure for a new engine at some point. OTOH upgrading my '05 to an '09 would cost me roughly $20K, and there is virtually a 100% probability that '09 will depreciate another $20K. So economically, it makes more sense to stay with the '05. Especially for the next 2 years while I still have a full warranty.
05-21-2015, 09:59 PM
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