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Old 10-01-2015, 02:30 AM
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Britax Marathon fits fine in a 2007 with both bottom and back cushions removed.
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Old 10-01-2015, 11:46 PM
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Default The Porsche Junior (harnessed one) is what I used

I have a cab so no anchors, so every seat would have a little play up top. I so didn't want to buy the Junior due to the outrageous price but I think it's the only harnessed option for new seats out there.

I've since moved on to a booster seat (ended up with the Junior+) because I really liked the fit. It gives my kind plenty of room and my tall wife comfort in the passenger seat. To be honest, using a 911 before your kids are ready for boosters is really, really tough.



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I thought I'd post this here in hopes that it helps other parents who come along after me. I know I benefitted, to some degree, from the older posts on this and other sites that discussed fitting car seats into Porsches... it's no easy feat!

I have a 2.5 yr old who's very tall and heavy (he's the size of a four-year old). Developmentally & physically, he's not ready for a booster seat. He needs at least a harnessed booster, if not a normal forward-facing carseat with five-point harness.

I need to take him to preschool on my way to work, three mornings per week.

My car is a 2005 911S coupe.

OMG it's almost impossible to find a carseat that will even fit back there! And the ones that do fit, don't install tightly... the main issue being that the female part of the seat belt buckle is in a fixed position (completely fixed; it doesn't even rotate or bend at all), placed inches forward of the normal belt path for a forward facing seat installation.

I researched, and researched, and researched.

I ended up thinking I'd get the Recaro Performance Sport harnessed booster seat to work. It's a very pretty seat, you have to love Recaro, and it does drop down into the seat well pretty nicely in a 997. BUT, there was absolutely no way to tighten the install whatsoever. It was flying all over the place back there... way more than the 1" of movement allowed. And, to properly fit it to my tall son, the headrest portion of the seat was so large and high, it created a dangerous blindspot for me, the driver.

OK, scrap that. I sent it back. Next, we tried the two seats we already had installed in other cars.

One was a Diono Radian RXT. This seat is very narrow, but also quite tall, and not upright enough for the very vertical rear seatbacks in a 997. There was no point in even trying to tighten the install on this one.

The other is a Britax Marathon. The seat is wider, but it's on a narrower base, and shorter than the Radian or the Recaro. No dice either. Didn't really fit into the seat at all, and definitely couldn't be tightened.

More research. And more.

I found a thread on a VW enthusiast site talking about installing carseats in 997s, and one fellow posted success with an Evenflo SureRide, from relatively recently (2013), so I had reason to believe I could find a substantially similar seat new. I examined the specs on this thing, and decided to give it a whirl.

It ain't perfect. It turns out, the fellow who "succeeded" actually had to stuff a rolled up towel to the side of the side (on the side where the seatbelt buckle is), to be able to get a truly tight install. But, if you know about carseat installation, you know that's a total no-no. It gives you the illusion of a tight install, but in a crash, can create an unpredictable situation.

That said, I was able to get this seat situated well enough that I am comfortable using it for my kid, for the very short trips we'll be taking.

It definitely DID require that I cut into the carpeting on the shelf behind the seat, to expose the rear anchor point. This, understandably, was a very uncomfortable thing to have to do. Taking a knife to one's Porsche's interior... well, let's just say I would only do such a thing for the safety of my child. But, the good news: it worked.

So, long story short: if you need a forward-facing 5-point harnessed car seat in the backseat of your 997, and it's anytime around now (February of 2015), go for the Evenflo SureRide DLX.

1. Expose the rear anchor above the seat where you plan to install the Evenflo. Yes, you need a knife. Yes, it ends up a little bit ugly with exposed insulation... just a bit. Sigh. But if you don't use the rear anchor, you will not get a remotely tight install.

2. Do not remove the seat bottom from the Porsche's back seat. It's tempting, to avoid damaging the leather, but it creates a worse, looser install. We tried it both ways. You have to keep the seat bottom in.

3. Use two people to do the install. It's easier for one person to try to push the seat down and into position, while the other pulls the seatbelt through the belt path, buckles, and then tightens it. The pusher/weigher should enter the car on the side that the seat is being installed, and the seat belt operator should climb in on the opposite side.

You'll end up with a seat that's good, not perfect. (So if you are truly a carseat crazy -- you know who you are -- you won't be able to drive your kid around in your Porsche, because you won't find this satisfactory.) It does not move at all at the head, it moves side to side only very slightly (less than 1"), and the only movement that's more profound occurs if you pull up on the front edge of the carseat. But even then, the head stays where it is, and that, to me, is really key.

It looks reasonable, and doesn't create a nasty blindspot.







With the kid in the carseat, obviously we'll have to move the passenger seat forward. It's pretty far back here.





The seat doesn't occlude much of the side window, and none of the rear window.
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Old 01-30-2016, 05:09 PM
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Just ordered OP's suggested seat for my 997. I'll post a pic in a few.
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Old 02-21-2016, 12:28 AM
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My car is being shipped to me and the seat is sitting in my garage. Did anyone try the install with this seat with the seat back removed as well? I just see not to remove the seat bottom.
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Old 02-21-2016, 01:21 AM
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I use two bubble bums in the cab. Works great. Fits great. Stores easy. And they're cheap.

Bubble Bum

Target $29



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Old 02-21-2016, 01:54 AM
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My car is being shipped to me and the seat is sitting in my garage. Did anyone try the install with this seat with the seat back removed as well? I just see not to remove the seat bottom.
I have the britax roundabout and installed it with both back rest and bottom removed.
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Old 03-06-2016, 01:19 AM
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OP any chance you're still checking this?

I cannot get this seat to fit at all. if you pull on the front the bottom comes shooting forward. I get it as tight as possible and it still moves.

any other suggestions?
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Old 04-08-2016, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dmgreen View Post
I bought the Radian R100, tried to install it as you did in your picture and it feels a bit lose. Did you cut a whole in the rear carpet behind the seat in order to find an anchor point for the top tether? Is that how you got it so 'solidly in place.' I am assuming the answer is yes, because as-is it feels very slippery and unsafe.
Any advice on how best to do this cutting?
Thanks!
What did you end up doing for the Diono R100? Where is the anchor point? I'm looking into seats and it looks like Diono R100 or the RXT would be good options.
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Old 04-08-2016, 10:09 PM
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Default Just went through this...pics below

Ended up at Target looking for the diono radian r100. They didn't have it but I saw this Cosco seat that looked narrow and had an almost vertical back.

Cost wasn't a concern but it was only $50 so I decided to give it a try since they didn't have the Diono. My son is 2.5 years old and about 33lbs - he already knows how to say "Cars and Coffee" - now if it would only get warm here in the Philly burbs!

After install I'm really happy with it. Two things to note were figuring out how to tighten the belt so it "locked" (in user manual) as well as access the rear LATCH system (also in user manual). You actually need to make a small cut with a knife/box cutter to access the latch...I almost **** a brick doing it, but it's the price I pay for my wife to allow me to have a 911 with 2 toddlers
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Old 04-09-2016, 03:24 AM
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Harmony booster $40. I removed my backseats anyways.
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Old 04-09-2016, 01:37 PM
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Nice write up Kevinthickey! Did you end up removing the seat bottoms? it looks like you did from the pictures.
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Old 04-09-2016, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kevinthickey View Post
Ended up at Target looking for the diono radian r100. They didn't have it but I saw this Cosco seat that looked narrow and had an almost vertical back.

After install I'm really happy with it. Two things to note were figuring out how to tighten the belt so it "locked" (in user manual) as well as access the rear LATCH system (also in user manual). You actually need to make a small cut with a knife/box cutter to access the latch...I almost **** a brick doing it, but it's the price I pay for my wife to allow me to have a 911 with 2 toddlers
Interesting I'll have to check this seat out. I have the Scenera NEXT, I can get a good fit, but it still moves, even with the back cushion removed and noodles.

FYI, the 997 only has a top tether, there is no LATCH system. Meaning there are no lower anchors. You have to use the seat belt and that's why it's tough to get a stolid install with no movement.
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Old 04-09-2016, 11:03 PM
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I did take the bottom out, left the back. Yes sir, top anchor, no bottom ones - so it's a latch, or a hook, or an eye
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Old 04-10-2016, 12:59 AM
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Noob question, the seat belt that you hooked to the top anchor came with the car seat correct?
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Old 04-10-2016, 09:11 AM
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Yes it did. The car seat also came with the 2 bottom LATCH belts (which you obviously can't use) so I just tuck them behind the car seat.

Crazy in a 2010 car they didn't add LATCH anchors given kiddos are the only thing those back seats are good for.

Wonder if the 991s got them.
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