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Old 02-09-2015, 05:55 PM
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I taught my sons to drive a manual transmission in a Subaru, which is the easiest manual I've ever driven. Even in the Subie, they each stalled it over and over. It took a while, but they learned. I'm glad I didn't teach them on my 911.

My younger son wanted to take my 911 to the senior prom, and he was convinced that I would let him do it. I didn't. I have no problem with him driving the car, but I want him to get some experience driving it with me, in a more controlled environment first.
Old 02-09-2015, 07:42 PM
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yeah find a way to make this work. my two sons are 24 months and 9 months and I can't wait until they ask me. (by then my 997 will be 30 years old...)
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Originally Posted by Macster
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This technique explains I believe how I have managed to cover 288K miles in my Boxster with its original clutch and my 03 Turbo with at the time the tranny was out for an RMS job -- at around 120K miles -- and its clutch was checked the clutch disc had no measurable wear.
Teaching to slowly depress clutch at idle will only teach how to stall a car. Unless your idle is at 1500 rpm. Mine are at 720 sharp and with no throttle added it will stall 100% if you just 'slowly release'.
Old 02-09-2015, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Little Green
Dropping the clutch at 2500 RPM may be some of the worst advice I have ever heard on teaching someone how to drive stick.
Absolutely! You don't want to start him off by teaching him bad habits.

Have him practice proper launches at closer to 6000rpm
Old 02-09-2015, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sjfehr
Absolutely! You don't want to start him off by teaching him bad habits.

Have him practice proper launches at closer to 6000rpm
First of all he does not know yet what it is to 'drop clutch'. He will release it, not drop. And he will jerk a car no matter what first 3-4 times. So 2500 rpm will let him to start moving with no stall and will let him sense how with a foot steady on throttle actual rpm drop down and at what rate. That is all.

But, may be it is a genious case and he will ntuitively learn how to feed throttle and release clutch smoothly and simultaniously right away, from idle rpm mark. Who knows.
All i meant was - a 997 clutch will survive it all just fine. It is built to sustain much more than that.
Old 02-09-2015, 09:48 PM
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It's interesting how different the clutch feels from one car to the next, even from one Porsche to another. I've driven manual transmission cars for over 30 years. My best mileage on a single clutch was on a 1993 Isuzu Trooper. I bought that car new and when I sold it at roughly 242,000 miles, it was on the original clutch.

My 997 TT clutch is much, much more difficult to drive than my 996 C4S was. The 997 is completely stock, but it feels totally different than any clutch that I've ever used. It is very sensitive and it requires quite a bit of gas to get going. I still worry that I'm going to stall it and it's my daily driver! I wouldn't want my sons to learn on this car...
Old 02-09-2015, 10:15 PM
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My (at the time 17 yr old) behind the wheel - first time with a clutch. She did great and we have a memory for life - Just look at her smile :-)

The best part was when the Trooper coming the other way pulled a hard and fast U-Turn and put on his lights. He nabbed the car behind us.




Old 02-09-2015, 10:49 PM
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I learned to drive a manual in a 1959 5 ton truck with a split transmission. A double clutch split shift rounding an up hill corner is graduation.
Old 02-09-2015, 11:45 PM
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You are doing something wrong if you can't get your car moving in first gear without gas.
My car idles at 750 or so. Absolutely no problem moving off in first gear.
Seriously try it. I bet you can and will be surprised that your car easily allows you to do that
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Do any of the major rental companies still rent manuals??? I don't think so...but if yes, I think that's the WAY better option. Once he has the process down-- but still inexperienced-- then take him out in the 997. There's just no way I could sit in the passenger seat and listen to the grinding sounds of my clutch without getting chest pains!

Anyone know if you can rent a manual transmission? I think that's the way to go...
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Quick internet search

http://www.budget.ie/automatic_or_manual.php

I bet you can find one. No way do I teach my kid in my car.
Old 02-12-2015, 05:59 PM
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It's a car, why wouldn't you? I let me friends take it anytime they want. I like to share my passion with others.
Old 02-13-2015, 12:28 PM
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Default what should I do??

As my mother would say to me growing up: If you need to ask, the answer is NO! I now use this saying with employees.
Dan

Originally Posted by optistar
what should I do. ?
he's bad.. we tried a couple times and he didnt get it.

can I rent a wreck and teach him?
my 997 w 65k miles received a new clutch at 57k miles.
will I hurt my car?
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Rent a stick beater, that would work for a 1st lesson or two.

If he does well, ease him into the 911.

I sort of had a list of check boxes with my kids:

swimming

shooting

driving

chainsaws/machetes/nail guns/lawn mowers

boating

spinning a wrench/changing a tire/jacking various heavy vehicles

martial arts

flying

If you don't teach them, who the #$&% will? Look at Graham's post. He gets it. His dot will ALWAYS remember the day...
Old 02-14-2015, 09:45 AM
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My son learned to drive a standard with my John Deere tractor first and then with a KLR250 (Kawasaki). After he had a grasp of this, I let him drive my 964 Turbo a few years later. There is nothing wrong with saying NO. Being cool to a teenager is not necessarily a way to earn respect in the long run. Episodes like this can initiate feelings of entitlement. We should be parents first, not friends.


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